So who wants to remain in the EU?

[Fantic SuperT]

Well I worked for a European Commission in Brussels for 3.5 years, then a European Agency for another four years. The money was good but the corruption and cold blooded socialist fanaticism was sickening. I'm voting to get out for the sake of democracy and common decency.

[AJS-]

Are you a European Commissioner so called?

[Efbe]

turbobloke said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Efbe said:

fatjon said:

You seem to be confusing Lefties, Guardian readers and Independent readers with well educated and clever people.

I would have put the majority of the posters on this site as politically centre, mid to high income. Most are skilled/professional articulate people but there seems to be a massive majority in favour of out or leaning that way. I suspect these polls predicting an in vote will turn out to be nearly as accurate as the last GE polls. It really does not seem to be party political or educational/income based at all.

hahahaha, serious, politically centre?


PH is about as right wing a forum of this size there is.

Not really, I would say FJ`s view was about on the nail, perhaps it just `seems' like it to any lefty`s that come here.

If you start miles to the right then even normal people look like lefties...

Taking in too much BBC-Guardian output can have this ^ effect. What the cause is here, who knows...

The world according to the BBC isn't anywhere near a centrist perspective, HTH

stop being muppets. I haven't said I am left/right/centre, so why are people starting a bloody arguement about the BBC and lefties?

It is incredibly obvious PH veers right.

take a look at these:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_gener...

PH: 60% Cons, 19% UKIP, 08% Lab, 06% Lib
UK: 36% Cons, 13% UKIP, 29% Lab, 08% Lib

[don4l]

so called said:

I want to stay in.
Have to find a new job otherwise

What do you do?

[anonymous-user]

Beati Dogu said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I only have the massive schlong, which way should I vote?

In.

In and out, surely?


(Apols if someone has already done that gag. Thread TL/DR)

[Axionknight]

If being an out voter means I am lumped into a group with low earners, older folk and those who haven't pursued higher levels of education then that is fine by me.

After all those aren't all necessarily bad things, indeed being older (above retirement age for example) probably goes hand in hand with holding lower level qualifications for many in that age groups as the vast majority of people from that era didn't attend university to study all sorts of rubbish, it doesn't make them foolish or unintelligent though.

What a load of ste this survey is.

[wolves_wanderer]

Efbe said:

stop being muppets. I haven't said I am left/right/centre, so why are people starting a bloody arguement about the BBC and lefties?

Because Turbobloke

[wolves_wanderer]

I wonder how many of the people rubbishing the survey would be doing so if it suggested that no voters were on average likely to be really really good looking, powerfully built and have supermodel wives living in mansions

[Mark Benson]

anonymous said:

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• In the EU, we're only one of many, so we have to take the deal that's worked out for the collective which won't necessarily be in our best interests.
• The EU hasn't stopped wars between EU nations, the NATO pact and the fact that the last European war was so devastating has had far more to do with it. Also, the EU played a major role in plunging Ukraine into civil war and drawing Putin in by wooing them with promises of EU membership, remind me how that's going?
• The EU Water Framework Directive has been devastating for those areas that relied on dredging to increase the capacity of major waterways in the event of heavy rain. Ask the residents of the Somerset levels how they feel about it.
• That's right, Erdogan's a proper saint since he started talking to the EU. Oh, hang on.....

If something's broken and fixable, I absolutely agree we should stay and fix it. But staying in the EU is not going to fix anything, their direction is clear from the statements made by the leaders; Ever closer integration. The juggernaut is heading for the cliff, we can jump or we can go over with it.

I'd be interested (but I'm not holding my breath) to hear what you think is broken and how you think our remaining in the EU is going to fix it.

[AJS-]

anonymous said:

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Disagree with this bit. Actually I disagree with pretty much all of it, but this bit in particular.

We have been members for over 40 years and haven't even made any significant progress on even reforming CAP, let alone the workings of the EU institutions themselves. In fact the whole project has become much more overtly political in that time, despite every British PM during that period saying they wouldn't cede any more sovereignty and would reform CAP and address the 'democratic deficit' (a weasel term for something that is not democratic in any meaningful way, and was never intended to be).

The best hope we have of getting meaningful reforms both for our own relationship with the EU, and maybe even for reforming the organisation as a whole, is to be prepared to walk away unless we can work out a better relationship with the remainder of the EU.

[don4l]

anonymous said:

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Once we are out it won't matter if it gets fixed, or not.

The EU represents less than 50% of our exports, and is declining.

When the ship is sinking, wise people will take to the lifeboats.

[BigMon]

Efbe said:

stop being muppets. I haven't said I am left/right/centre, so why are people starting a bloody arguement about the BBC and lefties?

It is incredibly obvious PH veers right.

take a look at these:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_gener...

PH: 60% Cons, 19% UKIP, 08% Lab, 06% Lib
UK: 36% Cons, 13% UKIP, 29% Lab, 08% Lib

Stop coming in here with your proof!

You don't need stats to see how right wing the majority of shouty posters are on here. Just browse any of the political threads and you'll see it.

The fact they see this stance as 'normal' is laughable, but understandable I suppose.

[rohrl]

I'd vote to stay in. I don't think the EU is perfect, far from it, but to me the benefits still seem to outweigh the downsides.

[Fantic SuperT]

AJS- said:

Are you a European Commissioner so called?

No but I used to see Peter Mandleson exiting the eurostar train in Brussels regularly. People like him would usually get a special compartment to avoid contact with the public scum. I also had the misfortune to sit in the Brussels first class lounge one Friday while Nigel Farage pontificated loudly behind me. Despite his dreadful windbag behaviour he seemed more in contact with reality than the professional politicians and civil servants / commissioners / EC Director Generals etc.

When I was at the European Medicines Agency the Head of IT and three of his over-promoted incompetent cronies were dismissed for a huge procurement fraud in which they were receiving a percentage back from the supplier on everything they purchased with public money. It had to be dealt with but the whistleblower was punished and it was all hushed up. Anyone suspected of speaking to the press would be dismissed or not have their contracts renewed. There's no way the system can be fixed. The culture is chronically corrupt and incompetent. I'm out.

[Hosenbugler]

rohrl said:

I'd vote to stay in. I don't think the EU is perfect, far from it, but to me the benefits still seem to outweigh the downsides.

What benefits are they then? Baring mind of course that The EU is primarily and absolutely about political integration, and not about trade. Trade is the lie they spouted in their origianl excuses to get us to join, the "common market" fable.

[rs1952]

don4l said:

When the ship is sinking, wise people will take to the lifeboats.

It is possible to think the ship is sinking, so jump into the lifeboat before anybody else just to be on the safe side. You can get the best seat too.

Then the ship sails on into the sunset.

Then the lifeboat you are in springs a leak...

Just sayin'

[technodup]

anonymous said:

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Why?

We have little in common with most of them. Language, currency, culture, economics etc. We've been lied to over decades about the direction and goals of the 'project'. We've seen what happened when countries rejected treaties in referendums. We've not seen any real accounts or accountability.

Most people in this country couldn't tell you the difference between the council or commission or who their MEP is, we don't vote in EU elections with any enthusiasm. It's all too remote and we're seen to be an outsider, but are expected to chip in when Greece or Spain or whoever's next have pissed all their money up the wall.

GTFO

[rohrl]

Hosenbugler said:

rohrl said:

I'd vote to stay in. I don't think the EU is perfect, far from it, but to me the benefits still seem to outweigh the downsides.

What benefits are they then? Bearing in mind of course that The EU is primarily and absolutely about political integration, and not about trade. Trade is the lie they spouted in their original excuses to get us to join, the "common market" fable.

That's your opinion. Mine differs. I just wanted to answer the OP so the thread isn't completely one-sided.

[Hosenbugler]

rohrl said:

Hosenbugler said:

rohrl said:

I'd vote to stay in. I don't think the EU is perfect, far from it, but to me the benefits still seem to outweigh the downsides.

What benefits are they then? Bearing in mind of course that The EU is primarily and absolutely about political integration, and not about trade. Trade is the lie they spouted in their original excuses to get us to join, the "common market" fable.

That's your opinion. Mine differs. I just wanted to answer the OP so the thread isn't completely one-sided.

I gave no opinion, I stated facts and asked a simple question, a question you either cannot answer or seemingly do not wish too..

[Hosenbugler]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Explain, just where is the opinion? We were sold the EU on trade, the EU is about political union, has been from the outset, Treaty of Rome and all. Not going to repeat myself, I stated facts, not opinion. If being "chippy" is about emphasising facts then its your problem and none of mine.