So who wants to remain in the EU?
Discussion
zygalski said:
Plenty in here pretending they know it'll be all milk & honey after Brexit though, eh?
Truth is, none of us know. The only thing for certain is that we are currently a member of the EU & our economy is doing ok.
I don't think they are. I think most are advocating making our own milk and/or honey rather than have some allocated to us by a detached and unaccountable EU.Truth is, none of us know. The only thing for certain is that we are currently a member of the EU & our economy is doing ok.
powerstroke said:
Yes we would have to invent something !!! you might be on to a winner , maybe you could insulate a shipping container and fit a small refer into it that plugs into the ship or you could fly insulated containers but you would have to invent a thing like a mecanical bird .... 
Don't think there is enough margin on meat to transport it by air. It's just not transport costs anyway. There are a lot of other costs involved in trying to enter and compete in new markets. Especially when you have a massive market right on your doorstep already.plasticpig said:
Scuffers said:
Salmon is exported all over the world already, uae is a massive market for Scottish salmon.
Beef is easy, refrigerated containers, same way new Zealand lamb used to be shipped here before we joined the eec
It's still far more expensive than shipping to the EU. Beef is easy, refrigerated containers, same way new Zealand lamb used to be shipped here before we joined the eec
they are still buying it.
where else are they going to get it from?
Norway?
plasticpig said:
powerstroke said:
Yes we would have to invent something !!! you might be on to a winner , maybe you could insulate a shipping container and fit a small refer into it that plugs into the ship or you could fly insulated containers but you would have to invent a thing like a mecanical bird ....
Don't think there is enough margin on meat to transport it by air. It's just not transport costs anyway. There are a lot of other costs involved in trying to enter and compete in new markets. Especially when you have a massive market right on your doorstep already.how much food that contains meat is from somerere else frozen stuff and tinned same with dairy
anyway its a spurious argument we would be leaving the EU not Europe...
plasticpig said:
powerstroke said:
Yes we would have to invent something !!! you might be on to a winner , maybe you could insulate a shipping container and fit a small refer into it that plugs into the ship or you could fly insulated containers but you would have to invent a thing like a mecanical bird ....
Don't think there is enough margin on meat to transport it by air. It's just not transport costs anyway. There are a lot of other costs involved in trying to enter and compete in new markets. Especially when you have a massive market right on your doorstep already.1 minute on google brings up this for example:
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Exports-Britis...
article said:
UK export volumes of sheep meat in the first six months of 2014 have hit their highest half-year level since 1998, according to EBLEX.
Demand from non-EU markets has helped drive the growth, with shipments to these markets 36 per cent ahead of 2013 levels at 10,600 tonnes. The total value of UK sheep meat exports for the period was up three per cent on the year at £183.9 million.
“Increases in exports to the Far East have been particularly encouraging, while other key markets outside the EU included Ghana, Congo and the Ivory Coast in West Africa and Norway and Switzerland in Europe.
we are trading meat with the rest of the world quite succesfully and have been for some time. Why try to come up with problems which simply don't exist? Business will do business, EU or no.Demand from non-EU markets has helped drive the growth, with shipments to these markets 36 per cent ahead of 2013 levels at 10,600 tonnes. The total value of UK sheep meat exports for the period was up three per cent on the year at £183.9 million.
“Increases in exports to the Far East have been particularly encouraging, while other key markets outside the EU included Ghana, Congo and the Ivory Coast in West Africa and Norway and Switzerland in Europe.
Next please.
zygalski said:
The only thing for certain is that we are currently a member of the EU & our economy is doing ok.
Titanic Passenger said:
The only thing for certain is we are currently a member of the upper classes and we are doing ok for ourselves...
Do you realise how blinkered and short-sighted your comment sounds? Using the words "Certain" and "EU" in the same sentence is laughable. The EU has gone through massive change in recent years, all completely out of our control. So if we follow recent trends then surely things will only get worse?- It is predicted that this year's migrant crisis will be worse than last year's
- The EU as a trading bloc is in decline. No other trading bloc is as far as I know.
- Greek bailouts will have to be repaid at some stage.
- There is a risk of another recession - who will that adversely affect the most, a net contributor or a net receiver?
- What effect will Turkey joining the EU have on the rest of us (financially and in terms of security will do for starters)
- Once Russia have stopped being useful to us in Syria, what hand will they play in the world? You remember Ukraine don't you...?
Unfortunately the UK are being fed the scare stories (which are factually incorrect at best, deceitful lies at worst) which will convince the UK to vote IN without knowing what they really are voting for.
CrutyRammers said:
plasticpig said:
powerstroke said:
Yes we would have to invent something !!! you might be on to a winner , maybe you could insulate a shipping container and fit a small refer into it that plugs into the ship or you could fly insulated containers but you would have to invent a thing like a mecanical bird ....
Don't think there is enough margin on meat to transport it by air. It's just not transport costs anyway. There are a lot of other costs involved in trying to enter and compete in new markets. Especially when you have a massive market right on your doorstep already.1 minute on google brings up this for example:
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Exports-Britis...
article said:
UK export volumes of sheep meat in the first six months of 2014 have hit their highest half-year level since 1998, according to EBLEX.
Demand from non-EU markets has helped drive the growth, with shipments to these markets 36 per cent ahead of 2013 levels at 10,600 tonnes. The total value of UK sheep meat exports for the period was up three per cent on the year at £183.9 million.
“Increases in exports to the Far East have been particularly encouraging, while other key markets outside the EU included Ghana, Congo and the Ivory Coast in West Africa and Norway and Switzerland in Europe.
we are trading meat with the rest of the world quite succesfully and have been for some time. Why try to come up with problems which simply don't exist? Business will do business, EU or no.Demand from non-EU markets has helped drive the growth, with shipments to these markets 36 per cent ahead of 2013 levels at 10,600 tonnes. The total value of UK sheep meat exports for the period was up three per cent on the year at £183.9 million.
“Increases in exports to the Far East have been particularly encouraging, while other key markets outside the EU included Ghana, Congo and the Ivory Coast in West Africa and Norway and Switzerland in Europe.
Next please.
powerstroke said:
Yes and the EU can and has screwed up trade, when they decided it was a good idea to push east and pick a fight with putin we lost a sizable export market ..
The Ukraine has every right to seek closer ties with the EU. Do you think the EU should have told Ukraine to f
k off because they are scared of Putin? powerstroke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Digga said:
Don't forget the mantra of the left & public sector:
"We fear change."
They are not, by nature, copers.
As do the OAPs that keep electing the Tories."We fear change."
They are not, by nature, copers.
FWIW, I didn't vote Tory and am not an OAP.
Digga said:
powerstroke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Digga said:
Don't forget the mantra of the left & public sector:
"We fear change."
They are not, by nature, copers.
As do the OAPs that keep electing the Tories."We fear change."
They are not, by nature, copers.
FWIW, I didn't vote Tory and am not an OAP.
plasticpig said:
CrutyRammers said:
we are trading meat with the rest of the world quite succesfully and have been for some time. Why try to come up with problems which simply don't exist? Business will do business, EU or no.
Next please.
I did do some reading. 55% of lamb exports are to France.Next please.
zygalski said:
Guybrush said:
Do you really think it will be a 'leap into the dark' or have you been primed to 'think' this by the inner's propaganda? Just think of countries who are already in the 'dark' who are prospering quite nicely without the giant hand of remote state control. Don't be confined by proximity either, not just Switzerland, but even say Australia who are quite happy to manage their own affairs.
If it's not a 'leap into the dark' then please tell me what the effects will be on the UK economy, trade & jobs in the first 5 years after an exit from the EU. Also, please tell me your calculations for both the cost/benefit analysis for Brexit & how you came to those figures.Many thanks in advance.
Joining the Common Market in 1975 with the limited information provided for the UK citizen, at the time, and under the onerous terms set by DeGaulle, (with its well kept under wraps intention to morph itself into a federalist EU monster) THAT was a leap in the dark.
If it had been made clear at the time, what the underlying intention of the organization was (and I use the term `organization' in the loosest way) the stay OUT vote would have been overwhelming. At the time most people believed/understood they were just entering into a trade agreement with a group of other European countries, and absolutely nothing more than this.
Now a slightly better informed UK public is to be given the chance to vote on whether they want to stay in or out of the monster which we now know as the EU, but with at least now with some evidence of its money grabbing, corrupt, unaccounted, unaccountable, patently unequal and unfair treatment of the countries within its orbit.
I would look at someone who wants to vote IN as some one who wants to harm the UK`s interests, just so long as `they' can be in the minority which is able to be on the take, by being inside the colossal scam we know as the EU.
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