So who wants to remain in the EU?

[Phud]

plasticpig said:

The Ukraine has every right to seek closer ties with the EU. Do you think the EU should have told Ukraine to fk off because they are scared of Putin?

Do you really think that Ukraine, with brown coal and poor iron ore, went to the EU for trade agreements?

Or might it have had a little to do with the EU empire building and offering membership of a club which has different membership fees depending on what it thinks you should pay, which might be seen as wealth distribution?

[CrutyRammers]

plasticpig said:

CrutyRammers said:

we are trading meat with the rest of the world quite succesfully and have been for some time. Why try to come up with problems which simply don't exist? Business will do business, EU or no.
Next please.

I did do some reading. 55% of lamb exports are to France.

Yes, but you were asserting that trading meat outside the EU was a problem because of shipping etc. It clearly isn't.

[plasticpig]

Phud said:

Do you really think that Ukraine, with brown coal and poor iron ore, went to the EU for trade agreements?

Or might it have had a little to do with the EU empire building and offering membership of a club which has different membership fees depending on what it thinks you should pay, which might be seen as wealth distribution?

They also produce space rockets and aircraft to be fair.

[Digga]

Well BBC making a big splash in the business section of News website, quoting Neil Woodford: "Leaving the EU would not necessarily damage the UK economy"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35647771

[dandarez]

Just watched on the Beeb the newscaster trying to get the thoughts of Dr Andy Palmer (CE of Aston Martin) his thoughts on the EU Ref. He couldn't be pulled. But seemed to be endorsing the independence of the UK.

AM have just announced they have picked the UK (Wales) as the new site for their forthcoming 4x4.
New factory to be built on a old RAF site. Lots of new jobs etc, etc.

They picked here from a choice of sites worldwide, including far east and, of course, Europe - all discounted.

[DanL]

dandarez said:

They picked here from a choice of sites worldwide, including far east and, of course, Europe - all discounted.

In fairness, "made in Britain" is an important part of the AM brand.

[Digga]

DanL said:

n fairness, "made in Britain" is an important part of the AM brand.

Very true and, for one moment fk the EU and, to an extent, forget the UK and let's congratulate Wales on securing the factory - good on them.

[plasticpig]

CrutyRammers said:

Yes, but you were asserting that trading meat outside the EU was a problem because of shipping etc. It clearly isn't.

So you think it's easy to find new markets and successfully enter them then?

[blade runner]

dandarez said:

Just watched on the Beeb the newscaster trying to get the thoughts of Dr Andy Palmer (CE of Aston Martin) his thoughts on the EU Ref. He couldn't be pulled. But seemed to be endorsing the independence of the UK.

AM have just announced they have picked the UK (Wales) as the new site for their forthcoming 4x4.
New factory to be built on a old RAF site. Lots of new jobs etc, etc.

They picked here from a choice of sites worldwide, including far east and, of course, Europe - all discounted.

Yes I heard him on R5 this morning as well. Interviewer tried his best to lead him into saying that Brexit would negatively impact on the decision to base production in Wales, yet to his credit he said that business make decisions based on the current state of play, not possible scenarios 2-3 years down the line and as long as the UK economy was strong and free trade within the EU continued, then Brexit made little or no difference. He also said that he didn't think it was the place of businesses to give advice on how the UK electorate should vote on the referendum issue which was quite refreshing to hear.

[irocfan]

plasticpig said:

CrutyRammers said:

Yes, but you were asserting that trading meat outside the EU was a problem because of shipping etc. It clearly isn't.

So you think it's easy to find new markets and successfully enter them then?

that is not a bad point - how easy do you think it would be for France and Germany to find new markets for their cheeses/wines/cars/kitchens? It cuts both ways and in that regard no-one wants a trade war- well maybe the bureaucrats would just to be bloody minded...

[Phud]

plasticpig said:

They also produce space rockets and aircraft to be fair.

Arianne and Airbus might have a little protection.

Next?

[JNW1]

irocfan said:

plasticpig said:

CrutyRammers said:

Yes, but you were asserting that trading meat outside the EU was a problem because of shipping etc. It clearly isn't.

So you think it's easy to find new markets and successfully enter them then?

that is not a bad point - how easy do you think it would be for France and Germany to find new markets for their cheeses/wines/cars/kitchens? It cuts both ways and in that regard no-one wants a trade war- well maybe the bureaucrats would just to be bloody minded...

Some figures I saw quoted on another forum suggested that the EU actually exports more to the UK than we export to them; in truth that surprised me slightly but assuming the numbers were correct it would hardly be in the EU's interest to make it difficult for us to continue to trade with them if we were to leave....

[plasticpig]

irocfan said:

that is not a bad point - how easy do you think it would be for France and Germany to find new markets for their cheeses/wines/cars/kitchens? It cuts both ways and in that regard no-one wants a trade war- well maybe the bureaucrats would just to be bloody minded...

As I see it the risk is one of the small EU states that we don't do much trade with will take the hump and block any deal. Luxembourg or Malta for example where there is no trade surplus. It only takes one country to stop the whole thing . I think Germany has lost a lot of respect in the EU recently due to Merkel's stance on immigration so I am not convinced they could force an agreement through.

[wolves_wanderer]

Pan Pan Pan said:

zygalski said:

Guybrush said:

Do you really think it will be a 'leap into the dark' or have you been primed to 'think' this by the inner's propaganda? Just think of countries who are already in the 'dark' who are prospering quite nicely without the giant hand of remote state control. Don't be confined by proximity either, not just Switzerland, but even say Australia who are quite happy to manage their own affairs.

If it's not a 'leap into the dark' then please tell me what the effects will be on the UK economy, trade & jobs in the first 5 years after an exit from the EU. Also, please tell me your calculations for both the cost/benefit analysis for Brexit & how you came to those figures.
Many thanks in advance.

Joining the Common Market in 1975 with the limited information provided for the UK citizen, at the time, and under the onerous terms set by DeGaulle, (with its well kept under wraps intention to morph itself into a federalist EU monster) THAT was a leap in the dark.
If it had been made clear at the time, what the underlying intention of the organization was (and I use the term `organization' in the loosest way) the stay OUT vote would have been overwhelming. At the time most people believed/understood they were just entering into a trade agreement with a group of other European countries, and absolutely nothing more than this.
Now a slightly better informed UK public is to be given the chance to vote on whether they want to stay in or out of the monster which we now know as the EU, but with at least now with some evidence of its money grabbing, corrupt, unaccounted, unaccountable, patently unequal and unfair treatment of the countries within its orbit.
I would look at someone who wants to vote IN as some one who wants to harm the UK`s interests, just so long as `they' can be in the minority which is able to be on the take, by being inside the colossal scam we know as the EU.

You could have just written "I don't know" instead of that spittle-flecked diatribe. It would have been more accurate and a lot quicker.

[CrutyRammers]

plasticpig said:

CrutyRammers said:

Yes, but you were asserting that trading meat outside the EU was a problem because of shipping etc. It clearly isn't.

So you think it's easy to find new markets and successfully enter them then?

Easier than at any time in history I should imagine, yes.

[Cobalt Blue]

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[ninjacost]

just donated :-)

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