What a huge waste of public money
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CPS is going to send every single reported incident of this nature to court.
Its a massive knee jerk to blind eye they turned on what the like of Saville and Jenner was up to right under their noses.
Yes, they will nail some right scum bags
BUT, they will be getting convictions on wholly innocent men too who can't afford top flight legal representation like this bloke, I still think DLT has been stitched up by the CPS.
There will be others right now who are languishing in jail, now or awaiting trial who the police and CPS know are innocent.
There will be in about 10 to 20 years a whole slew of convictions quashed.
Its a massive knee jerk to blind eye they turned on what the like of Saville and Jenner was up to right under their noses.
Yes, they will nail some right scum bags
BUT, they will be getting convictions on wholly innocent men too who can't afford top flight legal representation like this bloke, I still think DLT has been stitched up by the CPS.
There will be others right now who are languishing in jail, now or awaiting trial who the police and CPS know are innocent.
There will be in about 10 to 20 years a whole slew of convictions quashed.
cirian75 said:
maxxy5 said:
I don't think this would even be in the news if it wasn't a 'famous' actress involved (who the accused said he didn't even recognise in court). That's the worrying thought.
It would have not gone to court if the woman was a Joanne public.Assume there's no cctv too so just one word against another
How far would it go with ordinary Joe
saaby93 said:
cirian75 said:
maxxy5 said:
I don't think this would even be in the news if it wasn't a 'famous' actress involved (who the accused said he didn't even recognise in court). That's the worrying thought.
It would have not gone to court if the woman was a Joanne public.Assume there's no cctv too so just one word against another
How far would it go with ordinary Joe
and it seems the higher ups have finally realised something is wrong with the way the Police/CPS is behaving with sex case too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
cirian75 said:
ordinary Joe would be screwed with out CCTV to prove otherwise the way the CPS is behaving right now, which is convict no matter the cost or the facts, they tried to alter the CCTV in this case, something is rotten at the core of the CPS.
this ^^^^there needs to be a genuine investigation into what happened in this case, who pushed it to trial, who authorised the doctoring of the video evidence, etc etc.
cirian75 said:
and it seems the higher ups have finally realised something is wrong with the way the Police/CPS is behaving with sex case too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
Oh excellent!http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
That will probably take 5 years, cost £5M, and achieve bugger all.
PurpleMoonlight said:
cirian75 said:
and it seems the higher ups have finally realised something is wrong with the way the Police/CPS is behaving with sex case too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
Oh excellent!http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
That will probably take 5 years, cost £5M, and achieve bugger all.
cirian75 said:
and it seems the higher ups have finally realised something is wrong with the way the Police/CPS is behaving with sex case too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
Hang on, I thought celebrities had a hold on the CPS, according to one of the theories on this thread. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35538655
cirian75 said:
ordinary Joe would be screwed with out CCTV to prove otherwise the way the CPS is behaving right now, which is convict no matter the cost or the facts, they tried to alter the CCTV in this case, something is rotten at the core of the CPS.
say what now? I've not really looked too much at this thread but WTF?irocfan said:
cirian75 said:
ordinary Joe would be screwed with out CCTV to prove otherwise the way the CPS is behaving right now, which is convict no matter the cost or the facts, they tried to alter the CCTV in this case, something is rotten at the core of the CPS.
say what now? I've not really looked too much at this thread but WTF?There's clearly been a historic culture of 'celebrity' / high-profile sexual abuse. There's clearly been a lot of reporting and accusations. The whole event / operation is unique in a lot of ways. The scale is unprecedented and so is the publicity and scrutiny.
In what world do people imagine that there won't be 'things to learn' and aspects that could have been done better? Take any large business that goes through something large-scale and unique for the first time (especially where the scale and pace is largely driven by external demand and variables), will they have nothing to learn or aspects that could be done better? It's collective human and organisational behaviour.
The hindsight bias part is the best. People, who have no concept of the above, are happy when it turns out someone did something wrong, and it can be proven. But not happy when it turns out someone has done something wrong and it cannot be proven.
At the risk of stating the obvious; you do not know this when people are presenting themselves and making allegations.
In what world do people imagine that there won't be 'things to learn' and aspects that could have been done better? Take any large business that goes through something large-scale and unique for the first time (especially where the scale and pace is largely driven by external demand and variables), will they have nothing to learn or aspects that could be done better? It's collective human and organisational behaviour.
The hindsight bias part is the best. People, who have no concept of the above, are happy when it turns out someone did something wrong, and it can be proven. But not happy when it turns out someone has done something wrong and it cannot be proven.
At the risk of stating the obvious; you do not know this when people are presenting themselves and making allegations.
La Liga said:
There's clearly been a historic culture of 'celebrity' / high-profile sexual abuse. There's clearly been a lot of reporting and accusations. The whole event / operation is unique in a lot of ways. The scale is unprecedented and so is the publicity and scrutiny.
In what world do people imagine that there won't be 'things to learn' and aspects that could have been done better? Take any large business that goes through something large-scale and unique for the first time (especially where the scale and pace is largely driven by external demand and variables), will they have nothing to learn or aspects that could be done better? It's collective human and organisational behaviour.
The hindsight bias part is the best. People, who have no concept of the above, are happy when it turns out someone did something wrong, and it can be proven. But not happy when it turns out someone has done something wrong and it cannot be proven.
At the risk of stating the obvious; you do not know this when people are presenting themselves and making allegations.
What world? There's always been 'things to learn'. It's 'always' been that way.In what world do people imagine that there won't be 'things to learn' and aspects that could have been done better? Take any large business that goes through something large-scale and unique for the first time (especially where the scale and pace is largely driven by external demand and variables), will they have nothing to learn or aspects that could be done better? It's collective human and organisational behaviour.
The hindsight bias part is the best. People, who have no concept of the above, are happy when it turns out someone did something wrong, and it can be proven. But not happy when it turns out someone has done something wrong and it cannot be proven.
At the risk of stating the obvious; you do not know this when people are presenting themselves and making allegations.
That's not the point.
The point is that in the last 20 odd years I have never, ever, heard so many utterings from those in authority of 'lessons will be learned', yet endlessly, they never, ever, f
king are!!!! Is that plain enough?
dandarez said:
What world? There's always been 'things to learn'. It's 'always' been that way.
That's not the point.
The point is that in the last 20 odd years I have never, ever, heard so many utterings from those in authority of 'lessons will be learned', yet endlessly, they never, ever, fking are!!!!
Is that plain enough?
The world of PH. You hear that phrase from all organisations. Plenty of things get improved through that approach to things. That's not the point.
The point is that in the last 20 odd years I have never, ever, heard so many utterings from those in authority of 'lessons will be learned', yet endlessly, they never, ever, f
king are!!!! Is that plain enough?
La Liga said:
I certainly think the accused deserves a full explanation from the CPS as to why the concluded there'd be a realistic prospect of conviction.
Thanks for the (full) explanation - I lean towards cock up rather than consipiracy tbh, but I'm struggling to see how anyone could make what seems like such an obvious cock-up 
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