So the scaremongering has started in earnest...

[irocfan]

EU referendum: PM says Brexit could bring Calais 'Jungle' to UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

[AJS-]

Yes, because the co-ordinated EU effort to tackle illegal immigration has gone so well.

Expect a lot more of this.

[Beati Dogu]

"David Cameron is expected to warn"

"The PM will suggest"

Gotta love pre-leaks. It allows politicians to chicken out if it gets a bad reception.


Camps like the jungle only exist because of the cowardly inaction of politicians. So is he saying he's a useless coward?

We knew that Dave, we knew that.

[Thorodin]

The only reason the 'Jungle' is in Calais is because of open EU borders (notwithstanding Schengen). Closing the option by Brexit would remove the incentive so they might well stay in France. A good test of France's patience with the migrants in Calais?

[Esseesse]

Article said:

David Cameron is expected to warn that migrant camps like the "Jungle" in Calais could appear in south-east England if the UK leaves the EU.

This doesn't make sense, even if it were true that the border would move. Presumably if there was a 'jungle' near Dover it would be because people were trying their luck at getting on the back of a lorry over to Calais.

[xjay1337]

I think this is only the start of the scaremongering.

[VolvoT5]

My instinct is to vote OUT but I could be persuaded by a strong IN argument. However the more bullst I hear from the PM and establishment the more I want to vote leave. Why can't they just be honest and admit the EU has massive flaws and this deal isn't particularly good, but then make their argument for why staying in is still better than leaving?

I just don't buy the scare stories that we are going to face economic crash and be 'swamped' by immigrants if we leave the EU.

I'm also disappointing that there doesn't appear to be a strong left OUT voice at the moment. In my view the EU is very much a neo liberal project that represents big business and the elite. For those that favour left / social democratic policies I would have thought getting out would be a good thing as clearly the EU will not allow opposing policies to be implemented by member states. Just look at TTIP which could really have huge implications for the NHS.

[p1stonhead]

Esseesse said:

Article said:

David Cameron is expected to warn that migrant camps like the "Jungle" in Calais could appear in south-east England if the UK leaves the EU.

This doesn't make sense, even if it were true that the border would move. Presumably if there was a 'jungle' near Dover it would be because people were trying their luck at getting on the back of a lorry over to Calais.

I think he means there would be an enclosed part of Dover before border control which the migrants could theoretically get to? So a camp would be set up there? It still doesnt make sense though - Im not sure how they would cross the huge wet expanse otherwise called 'The Channel' though? Unless France would let them just walk down the tunnels? They still couldnt get on a train or ferry legally.

[Mr_B]

Despite it being outside of the EU and an agreement between the UK and France, we of course have the default position of what the pro in side seem very happy with of 'if you dare leave we will fk you up'. Seems to be the answer to just about every aspect of leaving, and one which makes me think we are better off out.

[anonymous-user]

Mr_B said:

'if you dare leave we will fk you up'

The foundation of any good marriage!

[R8VXF]

p1stonhead said:

Esseesse said:

Article said:

David Cameron is expected to warn that migrant camps like the "Jungle" in Calais could appear in south-east England if the UK leaves the EU.

This doesn't make sense, even if it were true that the border would move. Presumably if there was a 'jungle' near Dover it would be because people were trying their luck at getting on the back of a lorry over to Calais.

I think he means there would be an enclosed part of Dover before border control which the migrants could theoretically get to? So a camp would be set up there? It still doesnt make sense though - Im not sure how they would cross the huge wet expanse otherwise called 'The Channel' though? Unless France would let them just walk down the tunnels? They still couldnt get on a train or ferry legally.

I think what is being alluded to is that the French would not be doing any checks on exit from France (so as to rid themselves of the problem), so yes they could just get on the trains or boats and arrive on our shores. Currently, the British immigration is on French turf and vice versa.

[p1stonhead]

R8VXF said:

p1stonhead said:

Esseesse said:

Article said:

David Cameron is expected to warn that migrant camps like the "Jungle" in Calais could appear in south-east England if the UK leaves the EU.

This doesn't make sense, even if it were true that the border would move. Presumably if there was a 'jungle' near Dover it would be because people were trying their luck at getting on the back of a lorry over to Calais.

I think he means there would be an enclosed part of Dover before border control which the migrants could theoretically get to? So a camp would be set up there? It still doesnt make sense though - Im not sure how they would cross the huge wet expanse otherwise called 'The Channel' though? Unless France would let them just walk down the tunnels? They still couldnt get on a train or ferry legally.

I think what is being alluded to is that the French would not be doing any checks on exit from France (so as to rid themselves of the problem), so yes they could just get on the trains or boats and arrive on our shores. Currently, the British immigration is on French turf and vice versa.

But surely a train or ferry company will just be like 'well fking get off or were not moving!'?

[loafer123]

p1stonhead said:

But surely a train or ferry company will just be like 'well fking get off or were not moving!'?

Indeed. As with the airlines, fine the ferry companies €500 for everyone without proper papers who arrive in the UK and this would be a very theoretical issue.

[R8VXF]

loafer123 said:

p1stonhead said:

But surely a train or ferry company will just be like 'well fking get off or were not moving!'?

Indeed. As with the airlines, fine the ferry companies €500 for everyone without proper papers who arrive in the UK and this would be a very theoretical issue.

If they have a ticket then the companies will allow them on board if there are no official checks being made I guess.

[alfie2244]

R8VXF said:

If they have a ticket then the companies will allow them on board if there are no official checks being made I guess.

What like the airlines do?

[CarreraLightweightRacing]

R8VXF said:

I think what is being alluded to is that the French would not be doing any checks on exit from France (so as to rid themselves of the problem), so yes they could just get on the trains or boats and arrive on our shores. Currently, the British immigration is on French turf and vice versa.

The French never have, it is the British who check the passports for those leaving Calais

[R8VXF]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

R8VXF said:

I think what is being alluded to is that the French would not be doing any checks on exit from France (so as to rid themselves of the problem), so yes they could just get on the trains or boats and arrive on our shores. Currently, the British immigration is on French turf and vice versa.

The French never have, it is the British who check the passports for those leaving Calais

That is what I said...

If we leave the EU, the French will close down our access to do the checking over there, and then wouldn't do any exit checks themselves.

alfie2244 said:

R8VXF said:

If they have a ticket then the companies will allow them on board if there are no official checks being made I guess.

What like the airlines do?

I didn't realise it was airline staff working at passport control/immigration. Fairly sure no ferry company staff do any checking of Ids, same for The Channel Tunnel.

[Oceanic]

R8VXF said:

I think what is being alluded to is that the French would not be doing any checks on exit from France (so as to rid themselves of the problem), so yes they could just get on the trains or boats and arrive on our shores. Currently, the British immigration is on French turf and vice versa.

I would have thought it would be pretty easy to legislate that transport providers have to carry out checks for valid passport or face significant fines, because otherwise they are surely people smuggling?

[TEKNOPUG]

R8VXF said:

I didn't realise it was airline staff working at passport control/immigration. Fairly sure no ferry company staff do any checking of Ids, same for The Channel Tunnel.

Tell me when was the last time you checked-in for an international flight without showing your passport? Currently Ferry Staff don't because there is border control. Remove that and it would be the ferry staff.

[alfie2244]

R8VXF said:

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

R8VXF said:

I think what is being alluded to is that the French would not be doing any checks on exit from France (so as to rid themselves of the problem), so yes they could just get on the trains or boats and arrive on our shores. Currently, the British immigration is on French turf and vice versa.

The French never have, it is the British who check the passports for those leaving Calais

That is what I said...

If we leave the EU, the French will close down our access to do the checking over there, and then wouldn't do any exit checks themselves.

alfie2244 said:

R8VXF said:

If they have a ticket then the companies will allow them on board if there are no official checks being made I guess.

What like the airlines do?

I didn't realise it was airline staff working at passport control/immigration. Fairly sure no ferry company staff do any checking of Ids, same for The Channel Tunnel.

I could well be wrong but if an airline brings someone in without the correct paperwork do they not get fined?

Nonetheless do we check passports / paperwork etc anywhere else in the world or is it just France?
Belgium is not much of a detour if needs be rather than be blackmailed because we had the audacity to leave the EU.