So the scaremongering has started in earnest...

[whoami]

BlackLabel said:

David Cameron: Brexit will leave UK at greater risk from terrorism

Desperate.

[Scuffers]

alfie2244 said:

fido said:

Then just shut the tunnel! How difficult can that be? It's a fk1ng tube with two ends!

Might as well shut the ports while we're at it..........after all there will be no trade, tourism etc as it will all disappear if we leave the EU.

just how much tourism actually comes through the tunnel to start with?

I would bet most visitors to the UK fly in.

And why is it so hard to vet train passengers any more than airline passengers?

Our basic mistake was having the channel tunnel's end in France.

[steveT350C]

[fido]

Scuffers said:

And why is it so hard to vet train passengers any more than airline passengers?

Our basic mistake was having the channel tunnel's end in France.

Precisely. Question and answer provided. Even the French wouldn't allow anybody to get onto a plane at Orly or CDG whereas they aren't so bothered about their end of the tunnel. Either take control of their end of the tunnel (which no doubt the French won't allow) or we detain illegals at the UK end and return them to France (whilst billing them for the cost of detainment).

[steveT350C]

@EuroGuido: French interior minister rubbished scaremongering about border controls: https://t.co/bTbZVff9GVhttps://t.co/IkCSz7HH1E

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steveT350C said:

@EuroGuido: French interior minister rubbished scaremongering about border controls: https://t.co/bTbZVff9GVhttps://t.co/IkCSz7HH1E

Oh dear, that went well!

[alfie2244]

steveT350C said:

@EuroGuido: French interior minister rubbished scaremongering about border controls: https://t.co/bTbZVff9GVhttps://t.co/IkCSz7HH1E

One and the same...what a nice man he seems.

alfie2244 said:

An interesting read:

http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/Bernard-Cazeneuve-and...

[andy43]

steveT350C said:

Roaming charges. FFS. Is that the best they can do?

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andy43 said:

steveT350C said:

Roaming charges. FFS. Is that the best they can do?

for forget the 6 nations...

(although I am struggling to so what the EU has to do with that?)

[anonymous-user]

Ah, the honesty of a panicked politician in action!!

[Andy Zarse]

steveT350C said:

I well remember the bad old days before 1974, when countless thousands of Welshmen used to queue up for days on end at the Irish, French and Scottish Consulates in Cardiff, waiting interminably for a faceless indolent bureaucrat to grant or deny a visa to travel for the Five Nations. It was a terrible time and I don't think we want to go back to those days.

[anonymous-user]

irocfan said:

EU referendum: PM says Brexit could bring Calais 'Jungle' to UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

It's great that this has been realised. Given that we are 99% sure to be leaving the EU shambles, the government plans to cater for the influx will be at an advanced stage

[Funkycoldribena]

drivetrain said:

Some of the comments on there are hilarious and so accurate.

Cracking vid on there of Hague mocking the red card system in 2008.

[powerstroke]

I just cannot understand how someone as stupid as CMD has got into the position of leader of our little Island nation
we have we still have one of the best armys and navy in the world and the stupid comes out with some childish twaddle about how if we leave the EU we will be over run by migrants and terrorists this fker has his hand on the nuclear
button I fuccking hope someone has told the dense little turd its real and not part of a video game !!!!!!

[Jonesy23]

powerstroke said:

I just cannot understand how someone as stupid as CMD has got into the position of leader of our little Island nation

From what I remember of it there was a bit of presentation trickery of giving a speech or two without notes or a tie which some people saw as new and exciting.

And a few people around him who saw potential career advancement. And the competition wasn't too strong and he dressed himself up the right way to suit what people at the time thought they wanted i.e. a shiny Blair clone.

I wouldn't saw he was stupid though, just not very bright. Plus unpleasant, superficial, disinterested, lazy, entitled... let's just say the feedback from both his PR and political careers doesn't put him in a particularly good light.


It's a bit like Boris. Some people think he's stupid. Other people think he's a clever person occasionally pretending to be stupid. Closer access suggests someone who actually is a bit thick but cunning, and benefits from an excellent education plus good contacts. The mess in his private life gives a better idea of what he's like than his political career does.


Actual smart people see more opportunity in other fields, and realise that if you want political influence you just buy it rather than seeking it in office.

[davepoth]

Andy Zarse said:

steveT350C said:

I well remember the bad old days before 1974, when countless thousands of Welshmen used to queue up for days on end at the Irish, French and Scottish Consulates in Cardiff, waiting interminably for a faceless indolent bureaucrat to grant or deny a visa to travel for the Five Nations. It was a terrible time and I don't think we want to go back to those days.

This would make a bit more sense if any Welshman actually had to go to France or Italy this year. We had visa free travel with Ireland before we joined the EEC.

[Mr_B]

R8VXF said:

Pothole said:

Unless you know this for a fact, stop spreading utter twaddle, FGS.

Err, the PM said this... I was just interpreting for the utter fktards in here who cannot read the fking article. I'm oot.

It was read. You then started spreading it around as either fact or something you agree with or thought reasonable. You didn't have to chuck the toys out when someone asked you why.

[zygalski]

BlackLabel said:

That's because it works - lots of people simply vote for the least-worst option so whilst they may not like the EU if you paint a bad enough picture of what life would be like if we leave you've just got yourself a load of votes.

Cameron did the same at the general election - he spoke less about what the future of Britain would look like under a Conservative government and more about what it would be like under a Labour-SNP government.

The question is how do the Brexit campaigners counter this?

You'd think they'd start by rallying around all the UKIP mps that were voted into parliament last year as a result of the huge groundswell of public support for all things anti-EU.

[turbobloke]

BlackLabel said:

That's because it works - lots of people simply vote for the least-worst option so whilst they may not like the EU if you paint a bad enough picture of what life would be like if we leave you've just got yourself a load of votes.

Cameron did the same at the general election - he spoke less about what the future of Britain would look like under a Conservative government and more about what it would be like under a Labour-SNP government.

The question is how do the Brexit campaigners counter this?

Assuming the same approach is needed, not that it is...

Instead of pointing to some imaginary scary thing in the future, point to the EU at the present time, what's been going on in the real world is far more scary. Better Out than In. A well-known saying

[AJS-]

andy43 said:

Roaming charges. FFS. Is that the best they can do?

It's almost comical isn't it? The way they wheel this one out as though it was a crowning achievement of half a century of subverting national democracy and self-governance at massive expense.