Conservatives appear to have overspent on three by-elections

[v8250]

steveT350C said:

Michael Crick reckons he has enough to call in the cops on alleged Tory by-election overspends

http://order-order.com/2016/02/08/tory-overspend-i...

Excellent assessment from one of the posters...

>>T00th_Fairy • 16 hours ago

Electoral Commission : We consider this a matter for the Police.

Police : This matter is one for the Electoral Commission to investigate.

Conservatives : The Police & Electoral Commission do not consider this as a matter for an investigation. The law was complied with.

Public : Told you so, they are all corrupt.<<

[Esseesse]

Is this non-investigation/prosecution problem something that grand juries were made for?

[Pesty]

steveT350C said:

Michael Crick reckons he has enough to call in the cops on alleged Tory by-election overspends

http://order-order.com/2016/02/08/tory-overspend-i...

Electoral corruption.

All three by-elections should be re run and those involved especially little should be in the dock.

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 9th February 21:00

[Mr_B]

Pesty said:

All three bi elections should be re run and those involved especially little should be in the dock.

Those bi elections do look a bit bent and could have swung both ways....

[alfie2244]

Mr_B said:

Pesty said:

All three bi elections should be re run and those involved especially little should be in the dock.

Those bi elections do look a bit bent and could have swung both ways....

[Halb]

Esseesse said:

Yes exactly, where it matters they could be. I doubt the Conservatives are in safe seats either.

Crick on the DP today said Labour massively underspent.

[vonuber]

I used to think the country was relatively un-corrupt. Now I am older I realise it's just well hidden, compared to say Italy.

[Halb]

Thanet South info on tonight's show.

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[motco]

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

[Einion Yrth]

motco said:

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

Did you know that 87% of statistics are dragged, as whole cloth, out of someone's rectum, without the inconvenience of actually doing any research?

[motco]

Einion Yrth said:

motco said:

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

Did you know that 87% of statistics are dragged, as whole cloth, out of someone's rectum, without the inconvenience of actually doing any research?

I did say 'guess'...

[Esseesse]

motco said:

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

4 million voters might give a toss at least.

[Pesty]

motco said:

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

The people in those areas who's 'elected' representative might when they start voting in parliament for things they don't agree with.

If you break the law to win elections you undermine democracy.

You are probably right most people don't give a toss. But they should.

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 9th February 21:35

[don4l]

vonuber said:

I used to think the country was relatively un-corrupt. Now I am older I realise it's just well hidden, compared to say Italy.

I don't think that it is well hidden. I think that we just don't believe that it could happen here.


A few years ago, I went to a local council planning committee meeting.

There was the chairwoman, clerk and a couple of officers at the head table. There were 10 members of the planning committee. They sat in two separate groups. One group consisted of 6 members, and they voted as a bloc on every single application . The other bloc had 4 members, and they also voted as one.

At one point the chairwoman asked if any members had an "interest" in the next planning application. All members shook their heads. She then asked councillor "Smith" if he had a vested interest in the application. He said "No". She then read out a letter which said that councillor "Smith's" wife was a director of the company who wished to develop the site.

At this point, I would have expected the police to be called.

At the very least, one would assume that the councillor would be expected to stand down from his position on the planning committee.

He was simply asked to step outside the room while that particular application was discussed.

What shocked me was that nobody else in the room was surprised, yet alone shocked.

[greygoose]

motco said:

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

90% of the population probably don't watch c4 news, I couldn't understand why Farage didn't want to make a complaint about the Tory overspending (unless UKIP were at it too?).

[Ridley]

Esseesse said:

motco said:

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

4 million voters might give a toss at least.

These two statements don't necessarily contradict each other.

[vonuber]

motco said:

C4 News is banging on about this ad nauseam this evening. I would guess 90% + of the populace couldn't give a toss.

And there in a nutshell we have the problem.

[Esseesse]

greygoose said:

90% of the population probably don't watch c4 news, I couldn't understand why Farage didn't want to make a complaint about the Tory overspending (unless UKIP were at it too?).

I guess he feels like it will get spun and not reflect well and/or divert attention from the referendum. Better if a 3rd party pursues it, he should have said to channel 4 that they have the evidence and are supposedly neutral so they should do it.

[alfie2244]

Esseesse said:

greygoose said:

90% of the population probably don't watch c4 news, I couldn't understand why Farage didn't want to make a complaint about the Tory overspending (unless UKIP were at it too?).

I guess he feels like it will get spun and not reflect well and/or divert attention from the referendum. Better if a 3rd party pursues it, he should have said to channel 4 that they have the evidence and are supposedly neutral so they should do it.

One for the legal eagles on here perhaps?

Do C4 have a legal duty to report something if they have the evidence that they claim to prove illegal / fraudulent activities?