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Adam Ansel said:
This referenced article seems to be somewhat at odds with your assertions: http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/12/09/breakthrough-di...
It's b
ks from a quack on the internet, and not even well written. And funnily enough has nothing to back up the original claim that 'sugar causes autism'. At most - if you accepted the premise of the article you linked - diet can affect symptoms, but it is not the root cause. So please if you want to be anti something come up with a solid argument about dental health or obesity which at least can be proven.
At this rate I think I'll have a strong argument that a low sugar diet causes poor reasoning and intolerance for other people's free choices.
As a keen cook I am not keen on Jamie Olivers books but surprised he's getting such a kicking on here as a self made man done good. Green eyed? Perhaps if he had bought a few more supercars....
What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fibre to boot.
What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fibre to boot.
Gandahar said:
As a keen cook I am not keen on Jamie Olivers books but surprised he's getting such a kicking on here as a self made man done good. Green eyed? Perhaps if he had bought a few more supercars....
What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fiber to boot.
I agree I like him, his recipes are simple and taste nice , ones I make are pretty healthyWhat's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fiber to boot.
Done well for himself and yes he has an opinion and I believe he is trying to do good.
Last 30 years have seen a huge increase in suger and tat added to foods, most people dont realise, JR is just raising this
Gandahar said:
As a keen cook I am not keen on Jamie Olivers books but surprised he's getting such a kicking on here as a self made man done good. Green eyed? Perhaps if he had bought a few more supercars....
What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fibre to boot.
So it's down to parenting then. What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fibre to boot.
TwistingMyMelon said:
Gandahar said:
As a keen cook I am not keen on Jamie Olivers books but surprised he's getting such a kicking on here as a self made man done good. Green eyed? Perhaps if he had bought a few more supercars....
What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fiber to boot.
I agree I like him, his recipes are simple and taste nice , ones I make are pretty healthyWhat's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fiber to boot.
Done well for himself and yes he has an opinion and I believe he is trying to do good.
Last 30 years have seen a huge increase in suger and tat added to foods, most people dont realise, JR is just raising this
You couple the fact we live a sedentary lifestyle with massive access to fast food and also the fact that a lot of home food now has a high sugar and fat content and what do you have? Fat people
WE DO NOT WANT TO END UP LIKE THE US OF A.
It's boring but the old meat and two veg my mum grew up was pretty healthy comparatively.
It's great that we now have the opportunity to have foods from around the world and also, with modern network fruit and veg out of season and
WE ARE STILL GETTING FAT.
We never had it so good, and we are still abusing it and becoming porkers.
Hat's off to him as well for chickens, school meals being shiite ( can't beat semolina with jam in the middle) and fishes being thrown back as waste.
He didn't need to do that if he was a lazy millionaire...
Gogoplata said:
Gandahar said:
As a keen cook I am not keen on Jamie Olivers books but surprised he's getting such a kicking on here as a self made man done good. Green eyed? Perhaps if he had bought a few more supercars....
What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fibre to boot.
So it's down to parenting then. What's the last thing you cooked well? No, boiling a frankfurter does not count.
We do need less sugar, looking at fat kids, including my own, means they need all the help they can get. In the past they would be helping out with chores at least or in the fields or down the pit or up the chimney. Now it is minecraft.....
Less calories in as less calories out.
Reduce fat and sugar and increase other types of food and hopefully get more fibre to boot.
Try to get her to go on a dog walk considering it is her dog and she promised... er, no.
Mind you, guess who has lost 8kg walking the dog ?
Adenauer said:
Gandahar said:
As a parent of a 13 year old who is putting on the pounds... yes.
Try to get her to go on a dog walk considering it is her dog and she promised... er, no.
Mind you, guess who has lost 8kg walking the dog ?
The wife? Try to get her to go on a dog walk considering it is her dog and she promised... er, no.
Mind you, guess who has lost 8kg walking the dog ?
About reducing consumption?
No, it's about scrabbling around for a new-world fad upon which to hang yet another excuse for dragging back huge chunks of tax from a gullible public. It's easy to argue for a healthier life style, that makes the notion of a tax hike more acceptable.
We are all eating more and moving less; a lot of what we eat is pre-prepared and packaged (and that is where most of the 'excess' sugar is to be found). How many £30,000 new kitchens - with the obligatory Carrara-topped 'island' - are sadly under used and their proud owners sitting on a sofa watching cookery progs? I reckon it all started when school cookery lessons changed to Domestic Science, then to Home Economics.
No, it's about scrabbling around for a new-world fad upon which to hang yet another excuse for dragging back huge chunks of tax from a gullible public. It's easy to argue for a healthier life style, that makes the notion of a tax hike more acceptable.
We are all eating more and moving less; a lot of what we eat is pre-prepared and packaged (and that is where most of the 'excess' sugar is to be found). How many £30,000 new kitchens - with the obligatory Carrara-topped 'island' - are sadly under used and their proud owners sitting on a sofa watching cookery progs? I reckon it all started when school cookery lessons changed to Domestic Science, then to Home Economics.
Gandahar said:
Adenauer said:
Gandahar said:
As a parent of a 13 year old who is putting on the pounds... yes.
Try to get her to go on a dog walk considering it is her dog and she promised... er, no.
Mind you, guess who has lost 8kg walking the dog ?
The wife? Try to get her to go on a dog walk considering it is her dog and she promised... er, no.
Mind you, guess who has lost 8kg walking the dog ?
Because our bodies did not evolve, so are not designed, to handle the vast amounts of processed sugar in our diet it is effectively a poison, causing us real medical damage.
Anyone in denial of this is in denial of the proven epidemiological facts.
Go to your larder and read the food labels. It is difficult to find anything without added, unnecessary, sugar. The food industry poison you to increase their sales because sweetness rapidly becomes addictive. Lab rats prefer it to cocaine.
This is very much like tobacco. A multi billion pound industry getting you addicted then poisoning you so as to maximise their profits. Which means that anyone who does not take positive action to minimise their sugar intake is a victim. A victim of the industry that is poisoning them and a victim of their own lack of sense.
Anyone in denial of this is in denial of the proven epidemiological facts.
Go to your larder and read the food labels. It is difficult to find anything without added, unnecessary, sugar. The food industry poison you to increase their sales because sweetness rapidly becomes addictive. Lab rats prefer it to cocaine.
This is very much like tobacco. A multi billion pound industry getting you addicted then poisoning you so as to maximise their profits. Which means that anyone who does not take positive action to minimise their sugar intake is a victim. A victim of the industry that is poisoning them and a victim of their own lack of sense.
Adam Ansel said:
Because our bodies did not evolve, so are not designed, to handle the vast amounts of processed sugar in our diet it is effectively a poison, causing us real medical damage.
So are you saying that over a given period of time our bodies won't eventually evolve to adapt to a different diet? That sort of goes against the the theory of evolution surely?The cost to the NHS is an oft touted reason for things like this - but does it hold up?
Sales of soft drinks in the UK hover around £15 billion. Since all soft drinks are subject to standard rate VAT - that means those sales raise around £3 billion in VAT.
If you factor in tax on all other sugary and fatty food - much of which is VAT rated, are fatties actually a net contributor to the NHS (in much the same way as smokers are claimed to be).
If everyone stopped drinking sugary drinks, eating things like confectionary and fast food - switching instead to zero rated alternatives like milk, fruit and home cooked meat and veg etc - would we actually be left with a massive tax hole to fill?
Sales of soft drinks in the UK hover around £15 billion. Since all soft drinks are subject to standard rate VAT - that means those sales raise around £3 billion in VAT.
If you factor in tax on all other sugary and fatty food - much of which is VAT rated, are fatties actually a net contributor to the NHS (in much the same way as smokers are claimed to be).
If everyone stopped drinking sugary drinks, eating things like confectionary and fast food - switching instead to zero rated alternatives like milk, fruit and home cooked meat and veg etc - would we actually be left with a massive tax hole to fill?
The human body has proven pretty good at adjusting to cope with all sorts of dietary changes. Say for example a sugar called lactose.
Also an interesting point about the food industry. Shame it comes from a tinfoll hat. #chemtrails
But seriously what part of leaving people to make their own decisions don't you get? Why does it always involve extra tax and coercion? I know some people believe they are the only truly enlightened ones and need to control the stupid plebs but do please fk off.
Another separate point - why do some people always trot out the whole 'they're just jealous' thing when people are critical of someone with some money? No, they're being criticised for the actions or opinions as another human being. You have no idea of the relative position of the person commenting so don't assume their motives are the same as yours.
Also an interesting point about the food industry. Shame it comes from a tinfoll hat. #chemtrails
But seriously what part of leaving people to make their own decisions don't you get? Why does it always involve extra tax and coercion? I know some people believe they are the only truly enlightened ones and need to control the stupid plebs but do please f
k off.Another separate point - why do some people always trot out the whole 'they're just jealous' thing when people are critical of someone with some money? No, they're being criticised for the actions or opinions as another human being. You have no idea of the relative position of the person commenting so don't assume their motives are the same as yours.
Smollet said:
So are you saying that over a given period of time our bodies won't eventually evolve to adapt to a different diet? That sort of goes against the the theory of evolution surely?
Species evolve over significant periods of time. Western diet-users are on a comet ride. At least Icelanders will still be around to run to the shops for us.
TwistingMyMelon said:
I agree I like him, his recipes are simple and taste nice , ones I make are pretty healthy
Done well for himself and yes he has an opinion and I believe he is trying to do good.
Last 30 years have seen a huge increase in suger and tat added to foods, most people dont realise, JR is just raising this
Good for him. Let's reciprocate and raise him...Done well for himself and yes he has an opinion and I believe he is trying to do good.
Last 30 years have seen a huge increase in suger and tat added to foods, most people dont realise, JR is just raising this
Anybody got a rope...?
TwistingMyMelon said:
I agree I like him, his recipes are simple and taste nice , ones I make are pretty healthy
Done well for himself and yes he has an opinion and I believe he is trying to do good.
Last 30 years have seen a huge increase in suger and tat added to foods, most people dont realise, JR is just raising this
Jamie Roliver?Done well for himself and yes he has an opinion and I believe he is trying to do good.
Last 30 years have seen a huge increase in suger and tat added to foods, most people dont realise, JR is just raising this
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