Supreme Court Justice Scalia found dead

Supreme Court Justice Scalia found dead

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tobinen

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9,178 posts

144 months

Saturday 13th February 2016
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35571868

Gives Obama an opportunity to replace him before he ends his term as President. Scalia was appointed by Reagan back in 1986

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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This is a potential game changer in many ways. Scalia was the most conservative of the Supremes, and his replacement will secure a liberal majority on the Court. If the Democrats regain the White House (which appears likely), the new President will in due course get to make one or two further appointments to the Court. This could lead in time to abolition of the death penalty and, wait for it, a real possibility of effective gun control.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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I add that a combination of the US Constitution and the extreme polarisation of legislative politics in the US make the nine men and women of the Supreme Court the most powerful people in the country. It is debatable whether or not this should be so, but it's how things stand.

Stu R

21,410 posts

214 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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I'm sure his friends have pleasant things to say about him.

Here's hoping he's replaced by someone who isn't a bigoted hypocrite.

rohrl

8,711 posts

144 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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The death of Justice Scalia brings to an end the longtime 5-4 conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Watching US news it seems that the Republicans don't think that President Obama ought to be able to appoint a ninth member to the court who would bring about a more liberal majority but I'm not sure why. If there has been a conservative majority for a long time then why should there not be a liberal majority for a while? The balance will presumably swing back again at some time in the future.

Is there a deeper reason than petty partisanship that Obama ought not be allowed to appoint a judge? He is the elected president after all.

handpaper

1,290 posts

202 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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It's not, as far as I can see, liberal vs conservative; it's strict-constructionist vs activist.
This may have something to do with the Founders' POV being over 200 years old (I can't think of anyone writing then that would be considered "left-wing" today); so be it, there is a mechanism for changing the US Constitution and it isn't packing the SC with people who think they're there to change the law.

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

242 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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rohrl said:
Is there a deeper reason than petty partisanship that Obama ought not be allowed to appoint a judge?
Not really but damn it Republicans will have a shot.

Could Obama self-appoint just to be really annoying?

Edited by speedy_thrills on Sunday 14th February 12:08

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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My yank mates have been posting on this.
Below is one post.



"Some lefty legal scholar will write an article about this and it'll get posted everywhere, but I'll tell you first: Scalia was not as bad on individual freedoms as you think he was.

He was bad. Make no mistake about that. But he was also (this is off the top of my head, so I think there are more):

-- the fifth vote in the 5-4 flag-burning case to recognize the free-speech rights involved.
-- the absolute leader in the court in pushing for criminal defendants to have more expansive Sixth Amendment rights of confrontation. For the lawyers: Crawford v. Washington never would have happened without him.
-- an occasionally surprising vote for Fourth Amendment search/seizure rights. See, particularly: Arizona v. Hicks (cop could not pick up an item in plain view without probable cause to believe it was contraband, and then get a good/better gander at it once he had already seized it). Consider also his concurrence in Minnesota v. Dickerson which draws a bright line over which the cops cannot cross in conducting a frisk.

And yeah, he was a nightmare in reproductive-freedom cases, anything involving equal rights for gays and a host of other areas. He was a nightmare more often than he was not.

But he was not Robert Bork. Be very glad we never got Robert Bork."

And then there's the Onion. biggrin
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/justice-scalia-dea...

Enricogto

646 posts

144 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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Obama will struggle anyway to elect a replacement because he needs the supporting vote of 60% of the Senate, where currently the Republicans control 54 out of 100 votes.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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This is win-win for the Dems. This'll drag on to the election, and the GoP are sure to act like knobheads over it. Fools.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 14th February 2016
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handpaper said:
It's not, as far as I can see, liberal vs conservative; it's strict-constructionist vs activist.
This may have something to do with the Founders' POV being over 200 years old (I can't think of anyone writing then that would be considered "left-wing" today); so be it, there is a mechanism for changing the US Constitution and it isn't packing the SC with people who think they're there to change the law.
It's really more liberal v conservative, and much so-called originalism or strict constructionism is on one view quite activist. "Activist" tends to be a buzz word flung at a Judge with whom a politician or tabloid disagrees. For example, Theresa May tried to bypass the UK Constitution by arguing that rules made by her trumped Statute. When Judges upheld the traditional view of the Constitution and held that Statute trumps Ministerial rules, May called the Judges "activist". As for changing the law, in a common law system such as the US (and the UK), all Judges of superior courts change the law. It's one of the things that they are there for.

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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Breadvan72 said:
It's really more liberal v conservative, and much so-called originalism or strict constructionism is on one view quite activist. "Activist" tends to be a buzz word flung at a Judge with whom a politician or tabloid disagrees. For example, Theresa May tried to bypass the UK Constitution by arguing that rules made by her trumped Statute. When Judges upheld the traditional view of the Constitution and held that Statute trumps Ministerial rules, May called the Judges "activist". As for changing the law, in a common law system such as the US (and the UK), all Judges of superior courts change the law. It's one of the things that they are there for.
One interpretation

Others prefer that laws be made by people we can elect, and kick out if necessary, not an unelected elite.

The fact that the left seem to view the replacement of a supreme court judge as an opportunity to change laws, which they cannot do via congress, should perhaps make us pause and consider what is the ideal separation of powers in a political system.



Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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JagLover said:
Others prefer that laws be made by people we can elect, and kick out if necessary, not an unelected elite.
The fact that the left seem to view the replacement of a supreme court judge as an opportunity to change laws, which they cannot do via congress, should perhaps make us pause and consider what is the ideal separation of powers in a political system.
The classic; legislature-executive-judiciary model, you would wish to alter how this system operates?

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

111 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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JagLover said:
Breadvan72 said:
It's really more liberal v conservative, and much so-called originalism or strict constructionism is on one view quite activist. "Activist" tends to be a buzz word flung at a Judge with whom a politician or tabloid disagrees. For example, Theresa May tried to bypass the UK Constitution by arguing that rules made by her trumped Statute. When Judges upheld the traditional view of the Constitution and held that Statute trumps Ministerial rules, May called the Judges "activist". As for changing the law, in a common law system such as the US (and the UK), all Judges of superior courts change the law. It's one of the things that they are there for.
One interpretation

Others prefer that laws be made by people we can elect, and kick out if necessary, not an unelected elite.

The fact that the left seem to view the replacement of a supreme court judge as an opportunity to change laws, which they cannot do via congress, should perhaps make us pause and consider what is the ideal separation of powers in a political system.

Excellent point.

TTwiggy

11,499 posts

203 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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It's rather puzzling that this forum generally holds politicians of all hues in almost complete contempt, yet when it comes to the passing of laws some seem keen to hand over even more power to this much-maligned group.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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TTwiggy said:
It's rather puzzling that this forum generally holds politicians of all hues in almost complete contempt, yet when it comes to the passing of laws some seem keen to hand over even more power to this much-maligned group.
Only the good ones, you know, the ones just a smidgeon to the right of Attila the Hun. smile

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

111 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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The only system apart from democracy that I would support is one which put me in sole charge. That's unlikely, and I'm not sure I would want it anyway, so elected politicians making the laws is the best system available.

TTwiggy

11,499 posts

203 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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Halb said:
TTwiggy said:
It's rather puzzling that this forum generally holds politicians of all hues in almost complete contempt, yet when it comes to the passing of laws some seem keen to hand over even more power to this much-maligned group.
Only the good ones, you know, the ones just a smidgeon to the right of Attila the Hun. smile
Those who speak COMMON SENSE!! while holding aloft a pint of mild. smile

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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Halb said:
JagLover said:
Others prefer that laws be made by people we can elect, and kick out if necessary, not an unelected elite.
The fact that the left seem to view the replacement of a supreme court judge as an opportunity to change laws, which they cannot do via congress, should perhaps make us pause and consider what is the ideal separation of powers in a political system.
The classic; legislature-executive-judiciary model, you would wish to alter how this system operates?
Err no

The judiciary should interpret laws and a constitution as they were written. If the people wish to alter those laws they can do so either indirectly, by which parties the vote for, or directly when given the opportunity through a referendum.

Judicial "activism" is another word for a Oligarchic form of government.

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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TTwiggy said:
It's rather puzzling that this forum generally holds politicians of all hues in almost complete contempt, yet when it comes to the passing of laws some seem keen to hand over even more power to this much-maligned group.
The worst politician has one crucial advantage over the best judge, we can kick them out if we don't like the job they are doing.