Post EU renegotiation poll, have opinions changed?
Poll: Post EU renegotiation poll, have opinions changed?
Total Members Polled: 377
Discussion
Total farce.
Trumpeting the fact that the British government may no longer have to pay child benefit to Romanians living in Romania, as a result of his negotiations with some unelected foreign bureaucrats, as though that were proof that we have a flourishing democracy within the EU.
I've been in favour of leaving for pretty much my entire adult life an never more so than now.
Trumpeting the fact that the British government may no longer have to pay child benefit to Romanians living in Romania, as a result of his negotiations with some unelected foreign bureaucrats, as though that were proof that we have a flourishing democracy within the EU.
I've been in favour of leaving for pretty much my entire adult life an never more so than now.
AJS- said:
Total farce.
Trumpeting the fact that the British government may no longer have to pay child benefit to Romanians living in Romania, as a result of his negotiations with some unelected foreign bureaucrats, as though that were proof that we have a flourishing democracy within the EU.
I've been in favour of leaving for pretty much my entire adult life an never more so than now.
Um. We would still have to pay them, but only at 'Romainian Standard of Living' levels. And even that's open to legalities. What a waste of time.Trumpeting the fact that the British government may no longer have to pay child benefit to Romanians living in Romania, as a result of his negotiations with some unelected foreign bureaucrats, as though that were proof that we have a flourishing democracy within the EU.
I've been in favour of leaving for pretty much my entire adult life an never more so than now.
Scuffers said:
MickC said:
Um. We would still have to pay them, but only at 'Romainian Standard of Living' levels. And even that's open to legalities. What a waste of time.
Why would we still have to pay?Richjam said:
Scuffers said:
MickC said:
Um. We would still have to pay them, but only at 'Romainian Standard of Living' levels. And even that's open to legalities. What a waste of time.
Why would we still have to pay?As a side, i think it should be scrapped full stop, it was created to deal with a problem that simply no longer exists.
Richjam said:
Scuffers said:
MickC said:
Um. We would still have to pay them, but only at 'Romainian Standard of Living' levels. And even that's open to legalities. What a waste of time.
Why would we still have to pay?I still don't get how we can be in such a weak negotiating position when we are basically giving the money away to poorer countries, its like Africa getting to vote on how much overseas aid can afford to send them...
Superficially, I think he got a deal that would satisfy a lot of people's concerns about ever closer integration and membership of the Euro. But then there is Martin Shultz saying that his parliament will decide what concessions the UK can have.
The deal seems to say we are happy to pay the membership fees, but fundamentally we do not share the same vision as the other members of the club. The only logical answer to that position is to leave and not pay the membership fees.
All we need is a European free trade area. Contributing to the CAP and the myriad of EU mad ideas is why so many want to leave.
The deal seems to say we are happy to pay the membership fees, but fundamentally we do not share the same vision as the other members of the club. The only logical answer to that position is to leave and not pay the membership fees.
All we need is a European free trade area. Contributing to the CAP and the myriad of EU mad ideas is why so many want to leave.
Why can the rules not be set, across all benefits, to state that if you choose to live elsewhere in the EU than your country of nationality, i.e. the country issuing your passport, you will only be entitled to the benefit payable in your country of nationality? Thus, if you are, say, Romanian and you decide to live in the UK, you will get 30p/week child benefit rather than £30/week? This should apply across all forms of benefit. It's then a simple economic choice for the migrant (much as it is now, but for other reasons!).
Really?
We need to get away from paying benefits full stop for everybody.
If we got peoples employers to pay proper wages, then there would be non reason to pay any benefits outside of hardship and unemployment.
this country along with the EU has gone down the route of high tax/high benefit Society which has to be the most inefficient way of providing a working living to everybody that man could possibly devise.
We need to get away from paying benefits full stop for everybody.
If we got peoples employers to pay proper wages, then there would be non reason to pay any benefits outside of hardship and unemployment.
this country along with the EU has gone down the route of high tax/high benefit Society which has to be the most inefficient way of providing a working living to everybody that man could possibly devise.
Ridley said:
Yep. And it looks like the OP hasn't even read the deal before deciding it's a farce.
Yes, i have, have you?Nothing in that deal is even a certainly, the EU can cast it out at any moment.
Please tell me what's in this deal that's worth anything other than some words?
Watching cmd on tv new, it's a f**king joke, most of the benefits he keeps going on about are nothing to do with our membership of the EU.
The whole deals is empty promises and call me Dave resorted to scaremongering in his post deal press statement ths says it all he knows he got nothing and thinks we wont notice.
If we stay in none of the promises will ever happen he knows it we know it and he thinks if he can he fool enough of the public to get a in vote in the coming years all the promises will be quietly dropped due to EU laws.
With social media the public are better informed now that any other time in history I dont think his plan will work and hope for a out vote and some real re negotiations with our trading agreements with Europe its not like they wont deal with us if we leave.
The German car industry will put a lot of pressure on its politicians to make sure a trading deal is done quickly and fairly as they have too much to lose.
If Brussels are awkward if we leave the whole pack of cards will collapse and the EU will be finished Germany wont stand for silly games or they will also walk.
If we stay in none of the promises will ever happen he knows it we know it and he thinks if he can he fool enough of the public to get a in vote in the coming years all the promises will be quietly dropped due to EU laws.
With social media the public are better informed now that any other time in history I dont think his plan will work and hope for a out vote and some real re negotiations with our trading agreements with Europe its not like they wont deal with us if we leave.
The German car industry will put a lot of pressure on its politicians to make sure a trading deal is done quickly and fairly as they have too much to lose.
If Brussels are awkward if we leave the whole pack of cards will collapse and the EU will be finished Germany wont stand for silly games or they will also walk.
Ironically, I was someone who wanted the ability to vote for staying IN a reformed EU, I really hoped the member states would see this as the best opportunity for a long time, to get the EU onto an honest, fair footing, which would allow it to continue.
Unfortunately having looked as far as I can, at the way we came into the thing, and the way it has been run since our joining, my naïve hopes for something better (not just for the UK but for the whole EU) have been swept away like smoke in a gale.
It seems the majority of the member states are happier keeping the corrupt, unfair, system that exists now in place. If we vote IN, no one can complain at what happens to the UK next, other than those who voted to try getting us out of the whole stinking mess.
Unfortunately having looked as far as I can, at the way we came into the thing, and the way it has been run since our joining, my naïve hopes for something better (not just for the UK but for the whole EU) have been swept away like smoke in a gale.
It seems the majority of the member states are happier keeping the corrupt, unfair, system that exists now in place. If we vote IN, no one can complain at what happens to the UK next, other than those who voted to try getting us out of the whole stinking mess.
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