BBC Bias EU referendum
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Scuffers said:
NRS said:
You're saying they didn't mention some companies hadn't signed, which is an example of bias... yet they did ACTUALLY do it? Not much chance of winning any evidence based arguments with you I suspect.
not on the TV or radio coverage, NO.Northern Munkee said:
I heard that - A case in point on Campbell - why not debate the issues and keep the slurs out of it, drop the personality attack ('I'm only joking schtick) and destroy their argument.
Because, similarly to what the women was trying to say to George as he shouted her down - politics is not just about the minutia of policy, and in this instance it has nothing to do with policy because the issues are far to complex to address in a 2 minute slot. Politics and the actors in it, the people who we give mandate to, is about integrity and trust. I could never trust anyone prepared to sit in a room for more than 10 minutes and ally themselves to either Farage or Galloway.Edited by Northern Munkee on Tuesday 23 February 09:46
greygoose said:
Scuffers said:
NRS said:
You're saying they didn't mention some companies hadn't signed, which is an example of bias... yet they did ACTUALLY do it? Not much chance of winning any evidence based arguments with you I suspect.
not on the TV or radio coverage, NO.Scuffers said:
greygoose said:
Scuffers said:
NRS said:
You're saying they didn't mention some companies hadn't signed, which is an example of bias... yet they did ACTUALLY do it? Not much chance of winning any evidence based arguments with you I suspect.
not on the TV or radio coverage, NO.Scuffers said:
BBC also pushing the letter written by CMD signed by 36 FTSE.
no mention of the bigger ones that refused, like Tesco, JCB, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc.
this is an interesting insight:
http://order-order.com/2016/02/23/no-10-loses-half...
looks like some are bogus too, M & S has issued a statement this morning saying that the signature of Marc Bolland, their outgoing boss on that letter , was made in a personal capacity and is nothing to do with them.
to be fair it's not just the beeb, the news this morning was a nice 'subtle' spin saying that 1/3 of all big businesses in the UK warn against Brexit... now call me foolish but doesn't that mean that 2/3 are if not specifically pro-Brexit at least not anti?no mention of the bigger ones that refused, like Tesco, JCB, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc.
this is an interesting insight:
http://order-order.com/2016/02/23/no-10-loses-half...
looks like some are bogus too, M & S has issued a statement this morning saying that the signature of Marc Bolland, their outgoing boss on that letter , was made in a personal capacity and is nothing to do with them.
Scuffers said:
greygoose said:
What do you mean? I heard it at 5am.
well, they did not at 6AM's version.This does not in any way mean that I don't think the BBC does have an institutional left wing bias, just that this isn't in my opinion an example of it.
Have you all forgotten the last time a mass of this clique did a signed letter in the press?
Many will recall how it backfired.
You know, the letter that said this country will collapse if we 'don't' join the Euro.
Phew! If only we'd listened to the bright men at the top.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the real 'BIG' business in this country is 'SMALL' business - far more of us and we want OUT!
Many will recall how it backfired.
You know, the letter that said this country will collapse if we 'don't' join the Euro.
Phew! If only we'd listened to the bright men at the top.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the real 'BIG' business in this country is 'SMALL' business - far more of us and we want OUT!
limpsfield said:
don4l said:
It would appear that the answer depends on where you look. Google finance is saying that the Pound advanced against the Euro today. I do hope that you are right and I am wrong.
I am. You seemed quite annoyed earlier when it was being reported that the £ was falling, so I am not sure why you want to be wrong. It would be interesting to see this google finance link. They are normally very accurate in my experience Edited by don4l on Monday 22 February 19:58
Today, the BBC news headline is "Big firms warn EU exit 'threatens jobs'".
However, when you actually read the story, you discover that two thirds of the FTSE100 firms disagree. This is blatant scaremongering.
A more accurate headline would be "Two thirds of big firms are unconcerned at the prospect of Brexit".
don4l said:
I was annoyed at the BBC's attempts to suggest that the markets were reacting negatively to the prospect of a Brexit. The reality is that the stock markets rose yesterday. Investors are clearly pleased by the idea that we might unburden ourselves of EU regulation.
Today, the BBC news headline is "Big firms warn EU exit 'threatens jobs'".
However, when you actually read the story, you discover that two thirds of the FTSE100 firms disagree. This is blatant scaremongering.
A more accurate headline would be "Two thirds of big firms are unconcerned at the prospect of Brexit".
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down. Today, the BBC news headline is "Big firms warn EU exit 'threatens jobs'".
However, when you actually read the story, you discover that two thirds of the FTSE100 firms disagree. This is blatant scaremongering.
A more accurate headline would be "Two thirds of big firms are unconcerned at the prospect of Brexit".
How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
ATG said:
don4l said:
I was annoyed at the BBC's attempts to suggest that the markets were reacting negatively to the prospect of a Brexit. The reality is that the stock markets rose yesterday. Investors are clearly pleased by the idea that we might unburden ourselves of EU regulation.
Today, the BBC news headline is "Big firms warn EU exit 'threatens jobs'".
However, when you actually read the story, you discover that two thirds of the FTSE100 firms disagree. This is blatant scaremongering.
A more accurate headline would be "Two thirds of big firms are unconcerned at the prospect of Brexit".
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down. Today, the BBC news headline is "Big firms warn EU exit 'threatens jobs'".
However, when you actually read the story, you discover that two thirds of the FTSE100 firms disagree. This is blatant scaremongering.
A more accurate headline would be "Two thirds of big firms are unconcerned at the prospect of Brexit".
How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
don4l said:
ATG said:
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down.
How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Perhaps we could agree that an accurate statement would be "A minority of big firms want to remain in the EU".How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
don4l said:
ATG said:
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down.
How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Perhaps we could agree that an accurate statement would be "A minority of big firms want to remain in the EU".How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Several have already gone on record saying they are not against Brexit.
Scuffers said:
don4l said:
ATG said:
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down.
How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Perhaps we could agree that an accurate statement would be "A minority of big firms want to remain in the EU".How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Several have already gone on record saying they are not against Brexit.
Your proposed statement wouldn't be accurate, as a majority of the FTSE 100 have simply not expressed a view.
FredClogs said:
Northern Munkee said:
I heard that - A case in point on Campbell - why not debate the issues and keep the slurs out of it, drop the personality attack ('I'm only joking schtick) and destroy their argument.
Because, similarly to what the women was trying to say to George as he shouted her down - politics is not just about the minutia of policy, and in this instance it has nothing to do with policy because the issues are far to complex to address in a 2 minute slot. Politics and the actors in it, the people who we give mandate to, is about integrity and trust. I could never trust anyone prepared to sit in a room for more than 10 minutes and ally themselves to either Farage or Galloway.Edited by Northern Munkee on Tuesday 23 February 09:46
ATG said:
don4l said:
ATG said:
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down.
How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Perhaps we could agree that an accurate statement would be "A minority of big firms want to remain in the EU".How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
irocfan said:
actually at this point that does make sense. It doesn't make sense to say that 2/3rds want Brexit (and indeed it would be wrong to say this) it could mean that 2/3rds really couldn't care less either way... The only thing we know for sure is that 34% feel we should be in - compared with 66% who either don't care or want Brexit, whichever way you slice it currently a minority of big firms want brexit
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