BBC Bias EU referendum

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zbc

849 posts

150 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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irocfan said:
ATG said:
don4l said:
ATG said:
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down.

How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Perhaps we could agree that an accurate statement would be "A minority of big firms want to remain in the EU".
Eh? No we can't agree that because it makes no sense.
actually at this point that does make sense. It doesn't make sense to say that 2/3rds want Brexit (and indeed it would be wrong to say this) it could mean that 2/3rds really couldn't care less either way... The only thing we know for sure is that 34% feel we should be in - compared with 66% who either don't care or want Brexit, whichever way you slice it currently a minority of big firms want brexit
What about those that want to be in but don't want to sign a letter for whatever reason?

limpsfield

5,870 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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irocfan said:
actually at this point that does make sense. It doesn't make sense to say that 2/3rds want Brexit (and indeed it would be wrong to say this) it could mean that 2/3rds really couldn't care less either way... The only thing we know for sure is that 34% feel we should be in - compared with 66% who either don't care or want Brexit, whichever way you slice it currently a minority of big firms want brexit
I think what's missing here is also the option for the number of businesses who do not wish their views to be known. I have worked for a couple of FTSE 250 businesses who would never get involved in discussions for or against something like this. I think it is safe to say that >36% want to stay in the EU,

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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irocfan said:
ATG said:
don4l said:
ATG said:
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down.

How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Perhaps we could agree that an accurate statement would be "A minority of big firms want to remain in the EU".
Eh? No we can't agree that because it makes no sense.
actually at this point that does make sense. It doesn't make sense to say that 2/3rds want Brexit (and indeed it would be wrong to say this) it could mean that 2/3rds really couldn't care less either way... The only thing we know for sure is that 34% feel we should be in - compared with 66% who either don't care or want Brexit, whichever way you slice it currently a minority of big firms want brexit
No, it still doesn't make sense, as you go on to prove by saying "it "could" [my quotation marks] mean 2/3 really couldn't care less either way". It could also mean 66% haven't decided yet, are vehemently against exit, vehemently for exit, haven't yet assessed the implications of the Lobbying Act so don't want to express an opinion yet...



irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Europa1 said:
irocfan said:
ATG said:
don4l said:
ATG said:
Oh really. 1/3 were prepared to put their heads above the parapet, 2/3 are keeping their heads down.

How many FTSE100 firms have signed up to the out campaign?
Perhaps we could agree that an accurate statement would be "A minority of big firms want to remain in the EU".
Eh? No we can't agree that because it makes no sense.
actually at this point that does make sense. It doesn't make sense to say that 2/3rds want Brexit (and indeed it would be wrong to say this) it could mean that 2/3rds really couldn't care less either way... The only thing we know for sure is that 34% feel we should be in - compared with 66% who either don't care or want Brexit, whichever way you slice it currently a minority of big firms want brexit
No, it still doesn't make sense, as you go on to prove by saying "it "could" [my quotation marks] mean 2/3 really couldn't care less either way". It could also mean 66% haven't decided yet, are vehemently against exit, vehemently for exit, haven't yet assessed the implications of the Lobbying Act so don't want to express an opinion yet...

fair point what I should have said is that a minority of big firms have publicly stated their desire to remain within the EU wink

hmmmm - not that_ actually sounds far better to me, thanks thumbup

zbc

849 posts

150 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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irocfan said:
fair point what I should have said is that a minority of big firms have publicly stated their desire to remain within the EU wink

hmmmm - not that_ actually sounds far better to me, thanks thumbup
Actually no. What you should have said is that a minority of big firms CEOs signed a letter to the Times that says the UK should remain within the EU. I can't see the actual letter and haven't checked but it's possible that other companies have "publicly stated their desire to remain within the EU" but haven't chosen to sign the letter. I'd just leave it frankly ;-)

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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zbc said:
irocfan said:
fair point what I should have said is that a minority of big firms have publicly stated their desire to remain within the EU wink

hmmmm - not that_ actually sounds far better to me, thanks thumbup
Actually no. What you should have said is that a minority of big firms CEOs signed a letter to the Times that says the UK should remain within the EU. I can't see the actual letter and haven't checked but it's possible that other companies have "publicly stated their desire to remain within the EU" but haven't chosen to sign the letter. I'd just leave it frankly ;-)
Indeed; given that the statement we are discussing was originally predicated on being "accurate", one could even go so far as to say that "The CEOs of 36% of the firms in the FTSE 100 (in Q1 2016) signed a letter to The Times stating that the UK should stay within the EU. As at Monday 23 February 2016, less than 72 hours after the terms of EU reform were agreed by the 28 EU heads of state (and bearing in mind that 21 and 22 February are not business days in the UK), the CEOs of the other 64% of FTSE 100 companies had not stated their position one way or the other."

Digga

40,202 posts

282 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Just a quick assassination of the three "big firms" pictured on the BBC whose judgement we're supposed to trust;

  • M&S who for two Christmases running could not get the very basics of retail right by organising sufficient stock into their UK warehouses and then pushing it through the distributions channels.
  • Rolls Royce who, it seems, in management terms at least could not find their own arses with both hands right now; one disaster piling on top of another in catastrophic fashion.
  • EasyJet - I mean fking really!? I wonder what vested interest they could possibly have?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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hehe

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Companies wanting to stay in shocker, to avoid a bit more paperwork and having to work a bit harder to grow profits...

Sacre bleu, the hardness of it all.

Digga

40,202 posts

282 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Sorry, might seem harsh, but the first two are abject management failures.

M&S make the same cock up two years running. I know this not just because it was reported but also because it's fact; a number of items on my Christmas present shop had to be sourced elsewhere because of non-stock.

RR backed all the wrong hunches; wide bodied jets, when the world went narrow, cheap engine prices and profits made on 30yr maintenance contracts when the world's airlines switched to 15yr replacement cycles. Plus, of course, there's their dependence on a certain EU paymaster; Airbus Industries.

KrissKross

2,182 posts

100 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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How come even though leave have won all we hear on the BBC is from Sturgen, Corbyn, even Tony Blair, these people are obsolete!

WTF is going on, and why are they allowed to show their faces and continue to spread such fear a lies. Its disgusting really.


Piersman2

6,596 posts

198 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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As above. I'm finding the BBC's reporting of this to be the most divisive I've ever seen the BBC to be, and that's saying something.

Maybe they are just not able to find any Leavers to interview, but I'm truly struggling to understand what Sturgeon's pronouncements have anything to do with being front page news for 3 days now.

And the continual belittling of the UK and it's decision to leave is extraordinary in it's one sided presentation. One can only assume the BBC sees the beginning of it's end with Brexit.

coldsnap

867 posts

158 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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KrissKross said:
How come even though leave have won all we hear on the BBC is from Sturgen, Corbyn, even Tony Blair, these people are obsolete!

WTF is going on, and why are they allowed to show their faces and continue to spread such fear a lies. Its disgusting really.
Out of those only Blair is immaterial just now.

But apart from IDS where are the beleavers, just where is Boris, Gove err who else, where have they gone?

KrissKross

2,182 posts

100 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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coldsnap said:
But apart from IDS where are the beleavers, just where is Boris, Gove err who else, where have they gone?
If I was them still on the lash smile

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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BBC are definately biased towards remain.

When they were interviewing people on polling day in London - of all the pro-remain people interviewed that they selected to broadcast, they were well dressed, well spoken ladies, gentlemen and ethnic minorities.

Yet when they showed the one person who was voting pro-leave - they where a white, male, heavily tattooed, jeaned and t-shirted northerner......what are the chances of finding one of those at random outside a London polling station.


Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 31st January 11:48

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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Moonhawk said:
BBC are definately biased towards remain.

When they were interviewing people on polling day in London - of all the pro-remain people interviewed that they selected to broadcast, they were well dressed, well spoken ladies, gentlemen and ethnic minorities.

Yet when they showed the one person who was voting pro-leave - they where a white, male, heavily tattooed, jeaned and t-shirted northerner......what are the chances of finding one of those a random in a London polling station.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 31st January 11:33
Given the self-reported exit polls, quite high.

Digga

40,202 posts

282 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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Moonhawk said:
BBC are definately biased towards remain.

When they were interviewing people on polling day in London - of all the pro-remain people interviewed that they selected to broadcast, they were well dressed, well spoken ladies, gentlemen and ethnic minorities.

Yet when they showed the one person who was voting pro-leave - they where a white, male, heavily tattooed, jeaned and t-shirted northerner......what are the chances of finding one of those at random outside a London polling station.
As long as I live, I will remember the expressions of incredulity on the facts of the 'experts' and media people in the live TV studios as it became clearer, and clearer that Leave had won the referendum. It does seem that some people can't learn a lesson.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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jjlynn27 said:
Given the self-reported exit polls, quite high.
Really - London is awash with them is it?

It wouldnt have been so blatant if they guy had been a cockney - at least there are plenty of those around the London area.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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Digga said:
Moonhawk said:
BBC are definately biased towards remain.

When they were interviewing people on polling day in London - of all the pro-remain people interviewed that they selected to broadcast, they were well dressed, well spoken ladies, gentlemen and ethnic minorities.

Yet when they showed the one person who was voting pro-leave - they where a white, male, heavily tattooed, jeaned and t-shirted northerner......what are the chances of finding one of those at random outside a London polling station.
As long as I live, I will remember the expressions of incredulity on the facts of the 'experts' and media people in the live TV studios as it became clearer, and clearer that Leave had won the referendum. It does seem that some people can't learn a lesson.
Really made me feel warm all over, did that....smile