BBC Bias EU referendum

[Ayahuasca]

The article suggests that the BBC is so biased that it does not know it is biased.

Example - referring to 'coming out of Europe', rather than 'coming out of the EU'.

[jonby]

Ayahuasca said:

The article suggests that the BBC is so biased that it does not know it is biased.

Example - referring to 'coming out of Europe', rather than 'coming out of the EU'.

not sure whether that's biased or poor journalism and I'm also not sure which is worse

[0000]

TTwiggy said:

0000 said:

TTwiggy said:

On the BBC bias thread there was a poster claiming that the BBC hierachy are all Zionists. Those who look for bias will find whatever flavour they seek.

What kind of ridiculous quantum theory of bias is that? Presumably therefore there is no bias as only those with perfectly neutral views will know.

I would have thought it's perfectly clear: if your views are generally right-wing, you will see left-wing bias in the BBC. If your views are grenerally left-wing, you will see right-wing bias. If yuor views are pro-Palestine you will see a Zionist conspiracy, if they are pro-Isreal you will see anti-Semitism. Because we all think we 'pay' for the BBC will never be happy with its output unless it agrees with our own politics at every turn.

So all news organisations are biased to the same extent, because bias is only in the eye of the beholder? Fox news the same as Al Jazeera?

[TTwiggy]

0000 said:

TTwiggy said:

0000 said:

TTwiggy said:

On the BBC bias thread there was a poster claiming that the BBC hierachy are all Zionists. Those who look for bias will find whatever flavour they seek.

What kind of ridiculous quantum theory of bias is that? Presumably therefore there is no bias as only those with perfectly neutral views will know.

I would have thought it's perfectly clear: if your views are generally right-wing, you will see left-wing bias in the BBC. If your views are grenerally left-wing, you will see right-wing bias. If yuor views are pro-Palestine you will see a Zionist conspiracy, if they are pro-Isreal you will see anti-Semitism. Because we all think we 'pay' for the BBC will never be happy with its output unless it agrees with our own politics at every turn.

So all news organisations are biased to the same extent, because bias is only in the eye of the beholder? Fox news the same as Al Jazeera?

I've explained what I meant as clearly as I can without recourse to pictures. I'm sorry that you don't understand.

[NRS]

0000 said:

TTwiggy said:

0000 said:

TTwiggy said:

On the BBC bias thread there was a poster claiming that the BBC hierachy are all Zionists. Those who look for bias will find whatever flavour they seek.

What kind of ridiculous quantum theory of bias is that? Presumably therefore there is no bias as only those with perfectly neutral views will know.

I would have thought it's perfectly clear: if your views are generally right-wing, you will see left-wing bias in the BBC. If your views are grenerally left-wing, you will see right-wing bias. If yuor views are pro-Palestine you will see a Zionist conspiracy, if they are pro-Isreal you will see anti-Semitism. Because we all think we 'pay' for the BBC will never be happy with its output unless it agrees with our own politics at every turn.

So all news organisations are biased to the same extent, because bias is only in the eye of the beholder? Fox news the same as Al Jazeera?

Not to the same extent, but when the British right and left wings (who are generally not too extreme) both moan about the BBC being biased the opposite way then it's pretty clear that it's approximately in the middle ground overall. The problem is too many people are very biased because they surround themselves with people and things that support their view. Anything that is different is automatically biased against them then.

[Kermit power]

don4l said:

So, the pound is up against the Euro today.

It's down a bit against the US Dollar.

BBC said:

The pound is heading for its biggest drop in nearly seven years against the dollar amid uncertainty about a possible British exit from the EU.

At one stage it was down 2.1% at $1.41020, the biggest one-day drop since March 2009.

You cannot report on "one day" drops until the day has finished - so we have not seen "the biggest one-day drop since March 2009". At this point, that claim is an outright lie. The funny thing is that the story was only published 27 minutes ago, when it was already provably untrue.

These people have no shame.

The Telegraph was running exactly the same story this morning, although they've pulled it now.

[Scuffers]

BBC headline:

Pound hits seven-year low on EU fears

reality:



before the close, it's recovering nicely, sure somebody has made a nice amout today!

if you look at the last 3 months, what's the big deal?

[Lucas CAV]

Can someone point me at an unbiased general news source ?

[NRS]

Lucas CAV said:

Can someone point me at an unbiased general news source ?

There is none. If it's different to your view it will effectively be biased,

[Scuffers]

NRS said:

There is none.

True.

NRS said:

If it's different to your view it will effectively be biased,

rubbish, that's just perception, bias is black/white issue, perception is grey.

[eccles]

valiant said:

If only we had a BBC bias thread...

Or a whole sub forum for the usual suspects to beat themselves into a lather with indignity at the unfettered bias!

[0000]

NRS said:

Not to the same extent, but when the British right and left wings (who are generally not too extreme) both moan about the BBC being biased the opposite way then it's pretty clear that it's approximately in the middle ground overall. The problem is too many people are very biased because they surround themselves with people and things that support their view. Anything that is different is automatically biased against them then.

I hardly think the left and right moan equally about BBC bias at all, but obviously it's easy to apply the same flawed argument there. It seems pretty weak to cast off any suggestion the BBC is biased as being due to the content consumer; it suggests they're always above criticism regardless of the content, even if they start only broadcasting trade union conferences.

[Lucas CAV]

NRS said:

Lucas CAV said:

Can someone point me at an unbiased general news source ?

There is none. If it's different to your view it will effectively be biased,

I was just waiting for the usual anti-BBC frothers to suggest something different as an example for which the BBC could follow-

[limpsfield]

Kermit power said:

don4l said:

So, the pound is up against the Euro today.

It's down a bit against the US Dollar.

BBC said:

The pound is heading for its biggest drop in nearly seven years against the dollar amid uncertainty about a possible British exit from the EU.

At one stage it was down 2.1% at $1.41020, the biggest one-day drop since March 2009.

You cannot report on "one day" drops until the day has finished - so we have not seen "the biggest one-day drop since March 2009". At this point, that claim is an outright lie. The funny thing is that the story was only published 27 minutes ago, when it was already provably untrue.

These people have no shame.

The Telegraph was running exactly the same story this morning, although they've pulled it now.

As were Bloomberg. "Heading for" is a fair enough qualification for me.

[Scuffers]

the real problem with the BBC is that the staff are on some kind of carrier carousel with the Guardian, and they seem unable to look outside of that perspective.

[don4l]

Kermit power said:

don4l said:

So, the pound is up against the Euro today.

It's down a bit against the US Dollar.

BBC said:

The pound is heading for its biggest drop in nearly seven years against the dollar amid uncertainty about a possible British exit from the EU.

At one stage it was down 2.1% at $1.41020, the biggest one-day drop since March 2009.

You cannot report on "one day" drops until the day has finished - so we have not seen "the biggest one-day drop since March 2009". At this point, that claim is an outright lie. The funny thing is that the story was only published 27 minutes ago, when it was already provably untrue.

These people have no shame.

The Telegraph was running exactly the same story this morning, although they've pulled it now.

Well, the BBC aren't giving up.

They have changed the headline from:-

"Pound heading for biggest one-day fall since 2009 on Brexit fears"

to
"Pound hits lowest level against dollar since 2009 on Brexit fears".

The funny thing is that the pound strengthened against the Euro today.

So, the markets clearly think that the Eurozone will do even worse if Britain leaves the EU.

[Scuffers]

don4l said:

The funny thing is that the pound strengthened against the Euro today.

So, the markets clearly think that the Eurozone will do even worse if Britain leaves the EU.

no kidding:

[deadslow]

Lucas CAV said:

NRS said:

Lucas CAV said:

Can someone point me at an unbiased general news source ?

There is none. If it's different to your view it will effectively be biased,

I was just waiting for the usual anti-BBC frothers to suggest something different as an example for which the BBC could follow-

a bunch of people on here get very angry because the BBC is not a Tory newspaper.

[TTwiggy]

Scuffers said:

NRS said:

There is none.

True.

NRS said:

If it's different to your view it will effectively be biased,

rubbish, that's just perception, bias is black/white issue, perception is grey.

So the poster on the other thread who thought that the BBC was BOTH left-wing biased AND run by a Zionist hierachy is what? Correct on one count and wrong on the other? Or maybe it is all about perception and that happens to be his perception of the BBC.

[Scuffers]

TTwiggy said:

So the poster on the other thread who thought that the BBC was BOTH left-wing biased AND run by a Zionist hierachy is what? Correct on one count and wrong on the other? Or maybe it is all about perception and that happens to be his perception of the BBC.

basically, yes.

bias can be measured, perceptions are harder to quantify.

I do think the BBC is biased, that does not mean I think they are Zionist, and I suspect it would be somewhat hard to demonstrate that!