Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2
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Halb said:
Guy on the far left conflating a lot of stuff there.
As I thought would happen.
Salmon not been that bad so far.
Salmond is a reasonable guy on most fronts, other than the obvious. That's the SNP modus operandi - nobody would vote for them if all their policies were as chaotic and idiotic as independence.As I thought would happen.
Salmon not been that bad so far.
Gold. 
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Andy Burnham is such a knob. Talk about bandwagon>jump in a sad attempt to make friends.
I did find his diatribe about establishment cover ups, gag inducing. I so wanted someone to ask about his actions at mid staf, it seems it is only a problem with a cover up, when it is other people doing it. The obligatory QT shouty ,crazy lady with the "think about the children" verbal diarrhoea. Let us hope they are not sent to Rotherham Children services, they will be safer in Syria or Calais, thanks Andy Burnham, Denis Mc Shane & 13 years of the progressive labour party.
The 69000 UK children currently in care, should naturally be put to the back of the queue, along with creating a perverse incentive to send children to the UK, by themselves.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 29th April 09:40
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Andy Burnham is such a knob. Talk about bandwagon>jump in a sad attempt to make friends.
I did find his diatribe about establishment cover ups, gag inducing. I so wanted someone to ask about his actions at mid staffs, it seems it is only a problem with a cover up, when it is other people doing it. The obligatory QT shouty ,crazy lady with the "think about the children" verbal diarrhoea. Let us hope they are not sent to Rotherham Children services, they will be safer in Syria or Calais, thanks Andy Burnham, Denis Mc Shane & 13 years of the progressive labour party.
The 69000 UK children currently in care, should naturally be put to the back of the queue, along with creating a perverse incentive to send children to the UK, by themselves.
2. What should Burnham have done about mid Staffs as chief sec. to the treasury or at DCMS? When he became health sec, he ordered the Francis enquiry.
Seems like he's finally finding his voice after being so lacklustre in the leadership campaign last year
edh said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Andy Burnham is such a knob. Talk about bandwagon>jump in a sad attempt to make friends.
I did find his diatribe about establishment cover ups, gag inducing. I so wanted someone to ask about his actions at mid staffs, it seems it is only a problem with a cover up, when it is other people doing it. The obligatory QT shouty ,crazy lady with the "think about the children" verbal diarrhoea. Let us hope they are not sent to Rotherham Children services, they will be safer in Syria or Calais, thanks Andy Burnham, Denis Mc Shane & 13 years of the progressive labour party.
The 69000 UK children currently in care, should naturally be put to the back of the queue, along with creating a perverse incentive to send children to the UK, by themselves.
2. What should Burnham have done about mid Staffs as chief sec. to the treasury or at DCMS? When he became health sec, he ordered the Francis enquiry.
Seems like he's finally finding his voice after being so lacklustre in the leadership campaign last year
He is certainly finding his voice, coming out of both ends of his digestive system.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
He order an enquiry? similar to the Taylor inquiry into Hillsborough, much like the Hutton enquiry in Iraq? The same enquiry he said was a mistake and should not have been published. The same enquiry he had to be forced into?
He is certainly finding his voice, coming out of both ends of his digestive system.
"forced into" within a month of his appointment?He is certainly finding his voice, coming out of both ends of his digestive system.
What was wrong with the "damning verdict on a dysfunctional organisation" that was the Francis report?
I haven't read it, but Burnham's statement is unequivocal - doesn't read like a cover up to me.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/...
You might do better to direct your fire at previous health secretaries.
edh said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
He order an enquiry? similar to the Taylor inquiry into Hillsborough, much like the Hutton enquiry in Iraq? The same enquiry he said was a mistake and should not have been published. The same enquiry he had to be forced into?
He is certainly finding his voice, coming out of both ends of his digestive system.
"forced into" within a month of his appointment?He is certainly finding his voice, coming out of both ends of his digestive system.
What was wrong with the "damning verdict on a dysfunctional organisation" that was the Francis report?
I haven't read it, but Burnham's statement is unequivocal - doesn't read like a cover up to me.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/...
You might do better to direct your fire at previous health secretaries.
To Quote.
"Labour was accused of insulting the victims of the Mid Staffs hospital scandal last night after its health spokesman suggested it would have been better if the report into their deaths had never been published.
Andy Burnham said events had borne out his view that the benefits of a public inquiry had not outweighed the reputational damage to the hospital. The Francis report into Mid Staffs Hospital unveiled a catalogue of neglect and abuse that contributed to up to 1,200 needless deaths from 2005 to 2009."
Who recommended the trust gain foundation status? Saintly Mr Burnham. He was only following official advice, nothing to do with him, of course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffor...
Please replace Mid staf with Hillsborough in the above. Quite the saviour, is our newly canonised St Burnham.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 29th April 10:27
QuantumTokoloshi said:
edh said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
He order an enquiry? similar to the Taylor inquiry into Hillsborough, much like the Hutton enquiry in Iraq? The same enquiry he said was a mistake and should not have been published. The same enquiry he had to be forced into?
He is certainly finding his voice, coming out of both ends of his digestive system.
"forced into" within a month of his appointment?He is certainly finding his voice, coming out of both ends of his digestive system.
What was wrong with the "damning verdict on a dysfunctional organisation" that was the Francis report?
I haven't read it, but Burnham's statement is unequivocal - doesn't read like a cover up to me.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/...
You might do better to direct your fire at previous health secretaries.
To Quote.
"Labour was accused of insulting the victims of the Mid Staffs hospital scandal last night after its health spokesman suggested it would have been better if the report into their deaths had never been published.
Andy Burnham said events had borne out his view that the benefits of a public inquiry had not outweighed the reputational damage to the hospital.
The Francis report into Mid Staffs Hospital unveiled a catalogue of neglect and abuse that contributed to up to 1,200 needless deaths from 2005 to 2009."
Who recommended the trust gain foundation status? He was only following official advice, nothing to do with him of course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffor...
Please replace Mid staf with Hillsborough in the above. Quite the saviour is our Andy.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 29th April 10:17
Nothing to suggest that
a. Burnham has responsibility for the abuses at mid Staffs
b. He covered it up
a link, from your bbc link, shows that Burnham said this at the public inquiry
"He also says officials at the Department of Health urged him not to hold an inquiry into what happened because the cost would outweigh the benefits."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/stoke/hi/people_and_pl...
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
The 69000 UK children currently in care, should naturally be put to the back of the queue, along with creating a perverse incentive to send children to the UK, by themselves.
No, no - we don't want it to get like Sweden.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 29th April 09:40
Lawson's a bit doddery these days, O'Leary might be interesting, Oakshott is a lightweight leveraged beyond her abilities on the strength of a trashy book and pig allegations, poetry man will be Dave Spart, I've never heard Nandy say anything substantial but there's always a first time.
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