Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

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Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

104 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
maybe SOME would help ?

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
Or played full back >at least< at Championship Level.

mikebradford

2,483 posts

144 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
Might not be essential.
But an understanding of how troops at battlefield level are effected by government level decisions, surely can only be beneficial.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
Not sure about defence, but more generally speaking a proven ability to read and write would be helpful.

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
I'd like them to have at least a brain capable of thought

Yes I know that's a problem with a lot of MP's but hey ho them's the ones that stand for election.

My local MP is E.Truss so I have the same conflict when I have to vote for her.

TankRizzo

7,245 posts

192 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
They should have ideally had industry experience in the brief they hold. So for example the education secretary ideally would have worked in education for a part of their lives. Similarly defence, chancellor, health secretary.

PurpleTurtle

6,935 posts

143 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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davepoth said:
Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
Not sure about defence, but more generally speaking a proven ability to read and write would be helpful.
I laughed at that Rayner idiot on C4 News the other week, put up as the Labour stooge against a Tory to discuss Grammar schools, she said, I quote, "Who are you to decide which children are more cleverer than others?"

Shadow Minister for Education. FFS.

Ganglandboss

8,294 posts

202 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Fittster said:
bomb said:
Ganglandboss said:
She is the MP for the neighbouring constituency to the one where I live. I posted a detailed rant about her in the Jeremy Corbyn thread.

A brief summary:

  • Flunked her GCSEs and was knocked-up when she left school.
  • Got a part time job in a care home.
  • Council decides to outsource care provision, so the staff all join unison and push her forward as shop steward.
  • Becomes poster-girl for Unison and is made a full time official.
  • Nominated as the 2015 parliamentary candidate for Ashton-under-Lyne, a town full of dole-bludgers who would vote for a donkey if you paraded it through the flea-market with a red rosette.
  • Corbyn makes her shadow minister for women and equalities.
  • Pat Glass resigns from the shadow education secretary post during the exodus of shadow ministers.
  • Rayner votes confidence in Comrade Corbyn, so she is rewarded with Pat Glass's old job (so now we have a shadow education secretary who failed her f**king GCSEs! rolleyes)
She is a sh*t-thick chav, and it is guaranteed car-crash telly tonight.
That is very worrying indeed. How anybody can think she has sufficient knowledge to hold that position, is beyond me. God help us.
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
I'd expect a shadow minister for education not to be some sh*t-thick moron, who flunked her GCSEs because in her words, 'school was about larking about'.

Rayner is not in that position because of her ability for the role; she is there because Corbyn thinks he is being trendy and right-on by putting a young woman from a rough estate in the shadow cabinet, and because every MP with a modicum of aptitude for the post had resigned or voted no confidence in the idiot.

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Jockman said:
Did you catch the audience Member (Blondie, middle aged) who confused Cameron with Blair?
To be fair, I often struggle to tell them apart.


don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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JawKnee said:
don4l said:
Conrad Black just said
"You British are one of the greatest nations on Earth".

Why on Earth can people like JawKnee and Zod not see that this is true?


I get lambasted when I use the term "traitors".

Go figure!
We are one of the greatest countries on earth. Unfortunately loons like you have significantly weakened our position for decades to come with your petty racism against Europeans.

You should be tried for treason.
What a sad post...

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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TankRizzo said:
Fittster said:
What knowledge should a minister have to have to hold a brief? For example should the defence secretary have served in the armed services?
They should have ideally had industry experience in the brief they hold. So for example the education secretary ideally would have worked in education for a part of their lives. Similarly defence, chancellor, health secretary.
I sort of agree, until there is a reshuffle then the expert on defence become the expert on home affairs etc etc. In practice its unworkable. They need good advisors (who DONT play musical chairs and who do know their stuff) whilst the MP provides leadership, decision making, drive, netowrks to make things happen, and confidence in their actions. The last 5 are not needed by Corbyn, it seems...

hidetheelephants

23,731 posts

192 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Half the problems in government are caused by cabinet reshuffles; just as the incumbent gets a handle on the brief and the measure of Sir Humphrey the bungee drags them out the door and propels them into the department of Ag and Fish, or the HoL if they've made too many courageous decisions.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Saturday 22 October 10:19

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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don4l said:
JawKnee said:
don4l said:
Conrad Black just said
"You British are one of the greatest nations on Earth".

Why on Earth can people like JawKnee and Zod not see that this is true?


I get lambasted when I use the term "traitors".

Go figure!
We are one of the greatest countries on earth. Unfortunately loons like you have significantly weakened our position for decades to come with your petty racism against Europeans.

You should be tried for treason.
What a sad post...
It made me laugh rofl

It's a std contribution for JawKnee (I'm still struggling with finding myself agreeing with him the other day - it's just an example to me that even polar opposites can sometimes find compromise) see note


Note - Hopes EU and UK can find same compromise in the situation both are in

The Don of Croy

5,975 posts

158 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
Half the problems in government are caused by cabinet reshuffles; just as the incumbent gets a handle on the brief and the measure of Sir Humphrey the bungee drags them out the door and propels them into the department of Ag and Fish, or the HoL if they've made too many couragious decisions.
The other half of the problems are simply that gubbermint has gotten too large.

And the third half is dealing with people.

That's correct - it's a problem that's at least 50% too big.

I thought Conrad Black was enlightening in sharing his view of Clinton/Trump. Whether it's true I know not.

MiniMan64

16,860 posts

189 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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I haven't watche QT in a while but have done the last 2 weeks only to witness how truly out of touch politicans (of both colours) are with the views of the British public

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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I'm wondering why the BBC are struggling to find a balanced audience recently. When Brexit is discussed, at least two thirds of the audience are firm Leavers.


When the referendum was held, I had a feeling that lots of fake votes were cast for the Remain side, however they underestimated the size of the Leave vote.


jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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I think it is down to the people that want to go on the show. You might be angered enough to get on as a Mr or Mrs Shouty as a remainder feeling done over however the leave might be a bit meh, job done.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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MiniMan64 said:
I haven't watche QT in a while but have done the last 2 weeks only to witness how truly out of touch politicans (of both colours) are with the views of the British public
It has entertainment value.

Those candidates on The Apprentice aren't really there for their business acumen either.

It's entertainment wink

limpsfield

5,870 posts

252 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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jmorgan said:
I think it is down to the people that want to go on the show. You might be angered enough to get on as a Mr or Mrs Shouty as a remainder feeling done over however the leave might be a bit meh, job done.
I think you have misread the above. I too have noticed that the audiences seem to have more leavers. I think that was also the case for QT prior to June 23.

I enjoyed last night's. I have never had a high opinion of Varoufakis but thought he really shone. Best programme for a while.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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don4l said:
I'm wondering why the BBC are struggling to find a balanced audience recently. When Brexit is discussed, at least two thirds of the audience are firm Leavers.


When the referendum was held, I had a feeling that lots of fake votes were cast for the Remain side, however they underestimated the size of the Leave vote.
Have they had one in Scotland, NI or London recently?

I genuinely don't know.
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