Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

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castex

4,935 posts

272 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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johnfm said:
castex said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
castex said:
I'm not clear what you mean by "butis undeliverable". Reading between the lines I would venture that we're heading for a reckoning, and what Self is suggesting is the better way to work through it.
Self fancies some kind of Utopia. oooooorrrrr he just likes sounding controversial ?




Pick one
I'll pick a third option, thanks: he wants things to improve. Quite a lot of us want that.
His views are naive and ill informed. He clearly had no idea of McDonalds moving their tax base to the UK - "cleverly" trying to suggest that we don't jobs in burger bars - not realising that the issue was where they would pay tax.

He clearly has no idea of which sector of taxpayer already pays the rump of income tax receipts and seems to not understand that attracting more businesses to teh UK with a lower rate of CT would generate more revenue.

He's not just a bore, but a bore without much of a clue about how economies work.
Who the hell knows how economies work? Our government doesn't seem to.

johnfm

13,668 posts

249 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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castex said:
Who the hell knows how economies work? Our government doesn't seem to.
I'm not suggesting there is no place for questioning elements of how the world (and our small part of it) is working. It is, clearly, not perfect.

But naive mutterings about tax evasion, corporation tax, taxing the rich more etc achieves little.

Agree with you - economies are complex and nobody really knows precisely how they work well enough to predict their behaviours accurately. But self seems to not have bothered to understand some of the basics. Or maybe he has, and just disagrees that lowering CT will attract business to the UK.

castex

4,935 posts

272 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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alock said:
castex said:
He's in no way the gift-wrapped answer to the world's problems, but he is asking the right questions.
He said we didn't want burger flipping jobs in the UK as a result of the comment about McDonald's moving their tax office here.

How can someone with that thought process provide any sensible input to discussions on the economy? He's an idiot pretending to be clever to people who cannot think for themselves.
I think his point was that we should try to generate and attract real jobs that don't ruin people's self-esteem (and health).

Ganglandboss

8,294 posts

202 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Digger said:
Complain about Self? Pete Doherty on This Week!
Christ on a bike! He's f**king wasted!

Cobnapint

8,596 posts

150 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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williamp said:
Blimey. Pete Docherty. With grey hair and no guitar. Might be worth watching...??
Worth not watching. What a prick.

He's high as a kite. Or is his brain just shot to pieces. What a waste of air time.

4sure

2,438 posts

210 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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That was a bit errm WEIRD,Man.

Norfolkit

2,394 posts

189 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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williamp said:
Blimey.Pete Docherty. With grey hair and no guitar. Might be worth watching...??
Er...no. I like the Libertines but what the fk's he doing on here (and he took the camera of Liz's legs, which were a bit disappointing tonight to be honest by recent standards).

MrNoisy

530 posts

140 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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I read a bit of Self 10 years ago, he impressed me.

I've grown up a bit now, advanced my knowledge and intellect, become more 'worldly wise'. He hasn't moved on at all, he's just an arch contrarian with a good grasp of language and a unique delivery.

I realise now that I was easily impressed before. Anybody can go on QT and make the popular argument, especially as the majority of the audience are stupid.

I am always most impressed by the people who speak and get no applause, not those who get rapturous approval.

castex

4,935 posts

272 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Oh well, then yes. Lets listen to the one who suggests unobtainium, and makes us laugh



FFS.




It's too late for Trolling btw. School night etc
I don't know what to say to this. I'm a troll? No. Thanks all the same and goodnight.

Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

199 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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MrNoisy said:
I read a bit of Self 10 years ago, he impressed me.

I've grown up a bit now, advanced my knowledge and intellect, become more 'worldly wise'. He hasn't moved on at all, he's just an arch contrarian with a good grasp of language and a unique delivery.

I realise now that I was easily impressed before. Anybody can go on QT and make the popular argument, especially as the majority of the audience are stupid.

I am always most impressed by the people who speak and get no applause, not those who get rapturous approval.
Indeed that's a true contrarian.

johnfm

13,668 posts

249 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Northern Munkee said:
MrNoisy said:
I read a bit of Self 10 years ago, he impressed me.

I've grown up a bit now, advanced my knowledge and intellect, become more 'worldly wise'. He hasn't moved on at all, he's just an arch contrarian with a good grasp of language and a unique delivery.

I realise now that I was easily impressed before. Anybody can go on QT and make the popular argument, especially as the majority of the audience are stupid.

I am always most impressed by the people who speak and get no applause, not those who get rapturous approval.
Indeed that's a true contrarian.
No it isn't...

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Did you want 5 minutes or the full half hour?

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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By complete coincidence Pete Doherty was on Channel 4 News earlier on having his ring piece licked by Krishnan Guru-Murthy. it could have been an interview but it was hard to tell. His eyes high as a kite. I would have avoided him in real life.
By an amazing coincidence pops up on QT same day.

Digger

14,588 posts

190 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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techiedave said:
By complete coincidence Pete Doherty was on Channel 4 News earlier on having his ring piece licked by Krishnan Guru-Murthy. it could have been an interview but it was hard to tell. His eyes high as a kite. I would have avoided him in real life.
By an amazing coincidence pops up on QT same day.
He must have an obituary about to be published. Don't laugh.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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castex said:
He's in no way the gift-wrapped answer to the world's problems, but he is asking the right questions. His voice is sorely needed on a QT panel like tonight's.
the problem is that asking questions is the easy bit, any idiot can do that - the difficult part is finding answers....

TerryThomas

1,228 posts

90 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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irocfan said:
castex said:
He's in no way the gift-wrapped answer to the world's problems, but he is asking the right questions. His voice is sorely needed on a QT panel like tonight's.
the problem is that asking questions is the easy bit, any idiot can do that - the difficult part is finding answers....
Corbyn is the classic example of this. Mouthy reactionary who all of a sudden needs to back up all the "solutions" he's been spouting for years from the back benches.

Not quite so easy is it Jeremy...

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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castex said:
I think his point was that we should try to generate and attract real jobs that don't ruin people's self-esteem (and health).
fk off about self -esteem it's high time we stopped looking down our noses at people who do basic simple jobs that are just as important to society as any other ....

Smiler.

11,752 posts

229 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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Digger said:
techiedave said:
By complete coincidence Pete Doherty was on Channel 4 News earlier on having his ring piece licked by Krishnan Guru-Murthy. it could have been an interview but it was hard to tell. His eyes high as a kite. I would have avoided him in real life.
By an amazing coincidence pops up on QT same day.
He must have an obituary about to be published. Don't laugh.
I caught far to much of the C4 bit, at least 30 seconds. Omnishambles looked like he'd just got back from the "People you'd never get tired of punching in the face" thread.

He's up there with Tiny Blair, Anjem Choudary & the Labour party.

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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castex said:
I like Self. A step above everyone else there intellectually, he cuts through the bullst - every time.
Am assuming that's an attempt at sarcasm - I worry for you if not

All last night proved was how out of touch most of them (politicians, media luvvies, etc) are. The more appallingly rude & unprofessionally they all behaved toward Farage, the more the general public will carry on sticking two giant fingers up at them - can you imagine the outcry if Farage had been talking to them they way they talked to him !

The labour guy was too thick to understand that all the reasons he gave for Trump not being Time person of the year (basically all Trump's outspoken stuff), the more reason in fact Trump should have been given that award and as for (indirect) comparisons of Trump to Hitler & Stalin, again it just alienates people and makes it look like the politicians are looking down their noses at the electorate

Self spoke mostly, complete and utter nonsense. By way of example, the cheap jibe about Mcdonalds means he either doesn't understand (so shouldn't be commenting) or does but is deliberately ignoring the facts. Not sure which is worse but as he is not a politician and therefore in theory should find it easier to cut through the BS on QT, what on earth was he doing ?!?

In general, all a show like last night does is boost popularity for Farage, Trump and indeed anyone who is seen as not being part of the inner circle. Those doing the mocking look like they are actually the ones behaving the most appallingly and I include Self very much in that group.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 9th December 2016
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jonby said:
Am assuming that's an attempt at sarcasm - I worry for you if not

All last night proved was how out of touch most of them (politicians, media luvvies, etc) are. The more appallingly rude & unprofessionally they all behaved toward Farage, the more the general public will carry on sticking two giant fingers up at them - can you imagine the outcry if Farage had been talking to them they way they talked to him !

The labour guy was too thick to understand that all the reasons he gave for Trump not being Time person of the year (basically all Trump's outspoken stuff), the more reason in fact Trump should have been given that award and as for (indirect) comparisons of Trump to Hitler & Stalin, again it just alienates people and makes it look like the politicians are looking down their noses at the electorate

Self spoke mostly, complete and utter nonsense. By way of example, the cheap jibe about Mcdonalds means he either doesn't understand (so shouldn't be commenting) or does but is deliberately ignoring the facts. Not sure which is worse but as he is not a politician and therefore in theory should find it easier to cut through the BS on QT, what on earth was he doing ?!?

In general, all a show like last night does is boost popularity for Farage, Trump and indeed anyone who is seen as not being part of the inner circle. Those doing the mocking look like they are actually the ones behaving the most appallingly and I include Self very much in that group.
Did you see the video of Farage lecturing an audience of MSM journos that appeared on YouTube in the last week or so?

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