Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2
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Smiler. said:
Digger said:
techiedave said:
By complete coincidence Pete Doherty was on Channel 4 News earlier on having his ring piece licked by Krishnan Guru-Murthy. it could have been an interview but it was hard to tell. His eyes high as a kite. I would have avoided him in real life.
By an amazing coincidence pops up on QT same day.
He must have an obituary about to be published. Don't laugh. By an amazing coincidence pops up on QT same day.
He's up there with Tiny Blair, Anjem Choudary & the Labour party.
s off pretty much everyone in the pub then drive home drunk.I don't know why thinks he'll make a coherent point on a discussion programme, he's been in that state for a decade.
Esseesse said:
Did you see the video of Farage lecturing an audience of MSM journos that appeared on YouTube in the last week or so?
No, I'll look it upI have to say I am no fan of Farage or Trump, far from it
But incidents like last night's play into his hands and whatever he may be, he is certainly not stupid. Mainstream programme, large audience, people on the panel talking to him in a totally unacceptable way, he sits there and laughs it off and is perceived by many as the bigger man (sorry person) whilst Self & the politicians continue to alienate many more ordinary people
Wil Self sneers, that can be useful when used with precision and in the right spot and the right time, but that's all he does, with nothing else, no insight, no ideas, no help. Just a sour gobstopper, it's like he has swigged a big bag of alum, Wile E. Coyote style before every engagement. He understands sentence construction and has a decent vocabulary, beyond that what he says has no substance to them.
The two MPs were balloons, the Tory especially so, the one that had moved to NYC was logical, Farage was OK, but got a bit too Crazy Frog when weathering the inane comments of Self et al.
The two MPs were balloons, the Tory especially so, the one that had moved to NYC was logical, Farage was OK, but got a bit too Crazy Frog when weathering the inane comments of Self et al.
jonby said:
castex said:
I like Self. A step above everyone else there intellectually, he cuts through the bullst - every time.
Am assuming that's an attempt at sarcasm - I worry for you if nott - every time.All last night proved was how out of touch most of them (politicians, media luvvies, etc) are. The more appallingly rude & unprofessionally they all behaved toward Farage, the more the general public will carry on sticking two giant fingers up at them - can you imagine the outcry if Farage had been talking to them they way they talked to him !
The labour guy was too thick to understand that all the reasons he gave for Trump not being Time person of the year (basically all Trump's outspoken stuff), the more reason in fact Trump should have been given that award and as for (indirect) comparisons of Trump to Hitler & Stalin, again it just alienates people and makes it look like the politicians are looking down their noses at the electorate
Self spoke mostly, complete and utter nonsense. By way of example, the cheap jibe about Mcdonalds means he either doesn't understand (so shouldn't be commenting) or does but is deliberately ignoring the facts. Not sure which is worse but as he is not a politician and therefore in theory should find it easier to cut through the BS on QT, what on earth was he doing ?!?
In general, all a show like last night does is boost popularity for Farage, Trump and indeed anyone who is seen as not being part of the inner circle. Those doing the mocking look like they are actually the ones behaving the most appallingly and I include Self very much in that group.
In my view universities and think tanks have become almost completely detached politically from the rest of society. The overwhelming majority of academics are now firmly on the Left; they are just academic echo-chambers and it is why otherwise intelligent people like Self are so baffled by their failure to gain popular traction.
jonby said:
The labour guy was too thick to understand that all the reasons he gave for Trump not being Time person of the year (basically all Trump's outspoken stuff), the more reason in fact Trump should have been given that award and as for (indirect) comparisons of Trump to Hitler & Stalin, again it just alienates people and makes it look like the politicians are looking down their noses at the electorate
I had to laugh when the Labour guy thought being named Time Magazine person of the year was some kind of award. Thick as too short planks. 
Its not an award, its a commentary on who has made a significant impact to the world.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 9th December 13:20
Andy Zarse said:
Self is clearly frustrated that the ordinary people are incapable of appreciating what the bien-pensant has to offer. The tragedy of the hoi-poloi is its failure to grasp the righteous ideological uniformity...
In my view universities and think tanks have become almost completely detached politically from the rest of society. The overwhelming majority of academics are now firmly on the Left; they are just academic echo-chambers and it is why otherwise intelligent people like Self are so baffled by their failure to gain popular traction.
spot on. if any iof them were your mates and they were blethering their usual crap over a pint down the pub most people would be laughing at them and telling them to get a grip. not only detached from society, but reality.In my view universities and think tanks have become almost completely detached politically from the rest of society. The overwhelming majority of academics are now firmly on the Left; they are just academic echo-chambers and it is why otherwise intelligent people like Self are so baffled by their failure to gain popular traction.
powerstroke said:
castex said:
I think his point was that we should try to generate and attract real jobs that don't ruin people's self-esteem (and health).
fk off about self -esteem it's high time we stopped looking down our noses at people who do basic simple jobs that are just as important to society as any other ....If I understand correctly, McDonalds are looking at moving their HQ so that they pay tax in the UK. So at most, jobwise, it's management jobs not burger flipping
I'm not saying I disagree that people should stop looking down their nose at basic jobs or those that do them, but in this instance, McDonalds move should be celebrated, especially bearing in mind their warnings pre - referendum and their commitment to move post-referendum result, during this unstable time before the terms of Brexit have been agreed
Here is one basic article on the 'move'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38252802
Edited by jonby on Friday 9th December 14:22
wc98 said:
Andy Zarse said:
Self is clearly frustrated that the ordinary people are incapable of appreciating what the bien-pensant has to offer. The tragedy of the hoi-poloi is its failure to grasp the righteous ideological uniformity...
In my view universities and think tanks have become almost completely detached politically from the rest of society. The overwhelming majority of academics are now firmly on the Left; they are just academic echo-chambers and it is why otherwise intelligent people like Self are so baffled by their failure to gain popular traction.
spot on. if any iof them were your mates and they were blethering their usual crap over a pint down the pub most people would be laughing at them and telling them to get a grip. not only detached from society, but reality.In my view universities and think tanks have become almost completely detached politically from the rest of society. The overwhelming majority of academics are now firmly on the Left; they are just academic echo-chambers and it is why otherwise intelligent people like Self are so baffled by their failure to gain popular traction.
jonby said:
Quite. Isn't it ironic that they go on about 'democracy' but all they really seem to want is to be able to say they have been elected democratically, to then do whatever they want regardless of what the will of the people is because 'they know best'. Actually, what we have seen in recent years with more ability to scrutinize, is that very few politicians seem to do very much well at all. Apart from spending our money badly that is.
You have just described Emily Thornberry perfectly.
Tom Logan said:
jonby said:
Quite. Isn't it ironic that they go on about 'democracy' but all they really seem to want is to be able to say they have been elected democratically, to then do whatever they want regardless of what the will of the people is because 'they know best'. Actually, what we have seen in recent years with more ability to scrutinize, is that very few politicians seem to do very much well at all. Apart from spending our money badly that is.
You have just described Emily Thornberry perfectly.Hosenbugler said:
Tom Logan said:
jonby said:
Quite. Isn't it ironic that they go on about 'democracy' but all they really seem to want is to be able to say they have been elected democratically, to then do whatever they want regardless of what the will of the people is because 'they know best'. Actually, what we have seen in recent years with more ability to scrutinize, is that very few politicians seem to do very much well at all. Apart from spending our money badly that is.
You have just described Emily Thornberry perfectly.
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