Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

[anonymous-user]

Dawn Butler appeared rather silly I think she is a newish MP but even allowing for that

[powerstroke]

iphonedyou said:

powerstroke said:

I guess people like her is a good indicator of why there was a large remain vote in London,??? which would be exactly what you would expect from the average comfortably off cusioned from reality smug middle class lefty,
do as I say not as I do ,whats yours is mine and what's yours is mine ..

I'm sure there are quite a few people who think like her in London, but I don't think that points to the reason for a large remain vote.

I'd proffer the large remain vote in London was due to a number of other factors, but principally the multiplicity of races and creeds occupying varying socioeconomic strata living in very close proximity - and generally without significant issue. It's difficult not to acknowledge the scale and importance of our interdependencies in that position, I think - and from there it's not a huge stretch to leaning heavily towards Remain.

I'm sorry I don't see the connection , most different races and creeds come from outside the EU!!
still stand by my first comment about a smug self entittled metropolitain elite ...

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

Was I the only one to notice the American's rage at choo choo just as they cut away to something else?...he did not look very happy.

19:35 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08h1jbx/this...

Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 3rd March 10:32

Saw it also and rewound the program to see a few seconds later. It was hilarious, choo choo tore him a new one all through that segment. He couldn't handle it at all.

[pingu393]

alock said:

Like Portillo, I don't understand the logic behind a second vote. Can anyone explain to me what they think it might achieve?

I think that the idea is...

UK Government negotiates the best deal that it can and EU agrees the deal.
Parliament decides that the deal is not good enough.
UK Government goes back to EU and tries to negotiate a better deal from a weaker position.

Yes, I can see that working - NOT.


The biggest problem isn't our parliament, it's the other 27 parliaments. We'll never leave if they all have to ratify the final agreement.

[anonymous-user]

pingu393 said:

I think that the idea is...

UK Government negotiates the best deal that it can and EU agrees the deal.
Parliament decides that the deal is not good enough.
UK Government goes back to EU and tries to negotiate a better deal from a weaker position.

Yes, I can see that working - NOT.


The biggest problem isn't our parliament, it's the other 27 parliaments. We'll never leave if they all have to ratify the final agreement.

They don't have to.

The agreement is by qualified majority voting in the council.

It's only trade deals outside the initial agreement that require all states to ratify.

[alfie2244]

jsf said:

alfie2244 said:

Was I the only one to notice the American's rage at choo choo just as they cut away to something else?...he did not look very happy.

19:35 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08h1jbx/this...

Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 3rd March 10:32

Saw it also and rewound the program to see a few seconds later. It was hilarious, choo choo tore him a new one all through that segment. He couldn't handle it at all.

AS hard as I try I now struggle to actually dislike choo choo yet desperately want to

[pingu393]

Good news - just two years of bks, then we can sink or swim on our own.

I might just emigrate to Spain if it all goes tits-up .

[alock]

pingu393 said:

The biggest problem isn't our parliament, it's the other 27 parliaments. We'll never leave if they all have to ratify the final agreement.

Triggering article 50 means we are leaving. If we reject a deal after 729 days, we just leave without a deal.

The only benefit of rejecting the deal is if the deal means we remain too closely linked to the EU. Leave voters wanting a hard brexit might benefit from this.

This idea though is being pushed by remain voters. Can a remain voter who wants a parliament vote on the deal please explain what they think will happen if parliament reject the deal after 729 days?

[powerstroke]

alock said:

pingu393 said:

The biggest problem isn't our parliament, it's the other 27 parliaments. We'll never leave if they all have to ratify the final agreement.

Triggering article 50 means we are leaving. If we reject a deal after 729 days, we just leave without a deal.

The only benefit of rejecting the deal is if the deal means we remain too closely linked to the EU. Leave voters wanting a hard brexit might benefit from this.

This idea though is being pushed by remain voters. Can a remain voter who wants a parliament vote on the deal please explain what they think will happen if parliament reject the deal after 729 days?

The only way there will be a deal is if we walk first then offer them a deal once they realise what is at stake ,
The EU is in a lose lose situation ! give us a sensible deal and we won't be the last to leave ,
They will try to handle Brexit the same way as the greek problem if we let them IE kick it into the long grass...

[Garvin]

alock said:

Triggering article 50 means we are leaving. If we reject a deal after 729 days, we just leave without a deal.

The only benefit of rejecting the deal is if the deal means we remain too closely linked to the EU. Leave voters wanting a hard brexit might benefit from this.

This idea though is being pushed by remain voters. Can a remain voter who wants a parliament vote on the deal please explain what they think will happen if parliament reject the deal after 729 days?

You have asked them to 'think' and that is their problem. They haven't to date and will find themselves increasingly between a rock and a hard place.

The government comes back with no deal. What is there to vote on other than 'have a go' at the government for failing to deliver Utopia. The government will have all manner of reasons why a deal was not possible. Telling the government to go back and try harder will just seem childish in the extreme. They will have to vote for the no deal or abstain which just weakens their position. We will exit the EU with no deal.

The government come back with a bad deal which they do not recommend. After ranting who is going to be brave (read stupid) enough to back the bad deal? As option above and we will exit the EU with no deal.

The government comes back with a good deal which they recommend. After a rant which remainer is going to vote for no deal over a good deal? In fact, they can't really rant and then vote for the good deal without being childish in the extreme. We exit the EU with a good deal and the government stock is enhanced ready for the next GE.

Not having a vote will not change the outcome at all but in the first two scenarios it would not weaken the remainers' position in either challenging the government or when going into the next GE.

[BlackLabel]

Tomorrow from Sunderland....

"On the panel are culture secretary Karen Bradley MP, shadow chancellor John McDonnell MP, SNP international trade spokesperson Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP, Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee, and Fraser Nelson, editor of The Spectator."


Meanwhile going back to that Pret lady from last week:

"Just one in 50 applicants for jobs at Pret a Manger are British, its director of human resources told a parliamentary committee."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/08/p...

[whoami]

BlackLabel said:

Tomorrow from Sunderland....

"On the panel are culture secretary Karen Bradley MP, shadow chancellor John McDonnell MP, SNP international trade spokesperson Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP, Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee, and Fraser Nelson, editor of The Spectator."


Meanwhile going back to that Pret lady from last week:

"Just one in 50 applicants for jobs at Pret a Manger are British, its director of human resources told a parliamentary committee."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/08/p...

Great.

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

Tomorrow from Sunderland....

"On the panel are SNP international trade spokesperson Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP,

Bang tidy if you ask me.

With Polly Toynbee speaking for Labour it's a shame they have invited John along too.

[mybrainhurts]

Polly Toynbee....st

Note to self....DO NOT TURN TV ON. IT MIGHT BREAK WHEN FLYING THROUGH THE WINDOW

[anonymous-user]

mybrainhurts said:

Polly Toynbee....st

Note to self....DO NOT TURN TV ON. IT MIGHT BREAK WHEN FLYING THROUGH THE WINDOW

Look at the picture and say slowly to yourself P.....O......L........L.........Y

[Murph7355]

FFS.

How much would it be to take out a hit on 5 people in one place?

[mybrainhurts]

techiedave said:

mybrainhurts said:

Polly Toynbee....st

Note to self....DO NOT TURN TV ON. IT MIGHT BREAK WHEN FLYING THROUGH THE WINDOW

Look at the picture and say slowly to yourself P.....O......L........L.........Y

Yoooou bd. . You absolute bd...

That's going to invade my dreams tonight, YOU bd

May your bundle of love crash on your naughty bits from a great height.

Twice...

[iphonedyou]

powerstroke said:

I'm sorry I don't see the connection , most different races and creeds come from outside the EU!!
still stand by my first comment about a smug self entittled metropolitain elite ...

This is all sorts of wrong, and not just the spelling. Of the approximately 35% of Londoners born outside of the UK as recorded at last census, less than 25% of that number were born outside Europe.

Edited by iphonedyou on Thursday 9th March 07:26

[Ziplobb]

techiedave said:

Look at the picture and say slowly to yourself P.....O......L........L.........Y

ashamed to say she comes from these parts in fact a mile or so down the road apparently

[Camoradi]

techiedave said:

God help us... The sham pain socialist

Rather than watch QT tonight, I'm going to shut myself in a cold dark room and stick pins in my eyes.