Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2

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alock

4,232 posts

212 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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JawKnee said:
Brexiters have certainly changed their tune. A lot less keen on reverting to WTO rules than they were during the referendum.
Did you not hear what Davis said? The 'no deal is better than a bad deal' was because of threats of a punishment deal.

The EU want a good deal. The UK want a good deal. If anyone thinks they can punish us then WTO will have to do.

DrDeAtH

3,588 posts

233 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Oh fk off Cleggy! Settle our 'tab'. What a prick!

JawKnee

1,140 posts

98 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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alock said:
JawKnee said:
Brexiters have certainly changed their tune. A lot less keen on reverting to WTO rules than they were during the referendum.
Did you not hear what Davis said? The 'no deal is better than a bad deal' was because of threats of a punishment deal.

The EU want a good deal. The UK want a good deal. If anyone thinks they can punish us then WTO will have to do.
Before the referendum.

"Shut up remoaners. We can do just fine as a country reverting to WTO rules."

Now
"Erm, well erm, let's hope it doesn't come to that."


What constitutes a bad deal anyway? You are aware that to make any deal we are going to have to make some concessions?

dromong

689 posts

221 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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No way on Earth would I watch that bunch, the pain would be akin to the time my "mates" tied me to a tree one balmy summer night in Wester Ross and left me to be bitten senseless by clouds of blood thirsty Midges.

Salmond alone would be more than I could take, what a stonkingly annoying voice he has.

wobert

5,058 posts

223 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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dro said:
No way on Earth would I watch that bunch, the pain would be akin to the time my "mates" tied me to a tree one balmy summer night in Wester Ross and left me to be bitten senseless by clouds of blood thirsty Midges.

Salmond alone would be more than I could take, what a stonkingly annoying FACE he has.
Ftfy

macp

4,060 posts

184 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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And boy are they giving Salmond some air time

paulrockliffe

15,726 posts

228 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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DrDeAtH said:
Oh fk off Cleggy! Settle our 'tab'. What a prick!
I'm sure Salmond would have chipped in here with a comment about assets as well as liabilities?

Looking forward to spending our Strasbourg/Brussels rent on the NHS.

Cobnapint

8,636 posts

152 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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macp said:
And boy are they giving Salmond some air time
If that's the case - I am SO glad I missed this one.

DrDeAtH

3,588 posts

233 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Cobnapint said:
macp said:
And boy are they giving Salmond some air time
If that's the case - I am SO glad I missed this one.
He managed to steer it towards a bit of propaganda for indyref2 for a while

KrissKross

2,182 posts

102 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Nick Clegg. Why just why...

whoami

13,151 posts

241 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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KrissKross said:
Nick Clegg. Why just why...
Nick by name, dick by nature.

macp

4,060 posts

184 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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DrDeAtH said:
He managed to steer it towards a bit of propaganda for indyref2 for a while
Pretty much any opportunity he got.

Smollet

10,644 posts

191 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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DrDeAtH said:
Oh fk off Cleggy! Settle our 'tab'. What a prick!
Yup. Didn't seem to understand the difference between having access to and belonging to. He really is not worth listening to these days......

mikebradford

2,525 posts

146 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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JawKnee said:
Before the referendum.

"Shut up remoaners. We can do just fine as a country reverting to WTO rules."
Now
"Erm, well erm, let's hope it doesn't come to that."
What constitutes a bad deal anyway? You are aware that to make any deal we are going to have to make some concessions?
You do realise the WTO rules work in both directions.
So if you believe that this would be bad for the UK, then surely the same principle of standardised tariffs mean a bad deal for the EU?

As so many are clearly stating this is a default should a deal/s not be agreed.

Ultimately people would have to naive to think ships would sit in ports until deals were agreed. Trade will carry on even in a worse case scenario, even if it may be reduced.

What i do find frustrating is that MPs who are supposed to be better informed would rather continue focusing their efforts on trying to prevent Brexit. As well as going on programmes clearly trying to bias public opinion.
Rather than trying to make clear the good and bad possibilities , such that mr & Mrs average are better informed.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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mikebradford said:
You do realise the WTO rules work in both directions.
So if you believe that this would be bad for the UK, then surely the same principle of standardised tariffs mean a bad deal for the EU?

As so many are clearly stating this is a default should a deal/s not be agreed.

Ultimately people would have to naive to think ships would sit in ports until deals were agreed. Trade will carry on even in a worse case scenario, even if it may be reduced.

What i do find frustrating is that MPs who are supposed to be better informed would rather continue focusing their efforts on trying to prevent Brexit. As well as going on programmes clearly trying to bias public opinion.
Rather than trying to make clear the good and bad possibilities , such that mr & Mrs average are better informed.
Yes, and it's the constant drip drip of how we are gong to lose our markets , never how much the EU members will suffer from not trading with us
docksides full of unsold RHD euro cars and trucks , furniture and other goods , while we buy better quality japanesse and american products for less !!!
maybe thats the price the pen pushers think it will be worth paying , I doubt EU businesses will see it that way ???

NDA

21,639 posts

226 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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alock said:
Did you not hear what Davis said? The 'no deal is better than a bad deal' was because of threats of a punishment deal.

The EU want a good deal. The UK want a good deal. If anyone thinks they can punish us then WTO will have to do.
Correct.

I don't believe for a moment that the EU will want to punish it's own member states by imposing punitive tariffs on their exports.

I do think that we should be guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in the UK before the process begins - even if our citizens are threatened with deportation.

SunsetZed

2,260 posts

171 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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NDA said:
alock said:
Did you not hear what Davis said? The 'no deal is better than a bad deal' was because of threats of a punishment deal.

The EU want a good deal. The UK want a good deal. If anyone thinks they can punish us then WTO will have to do.
Correct.

I don't believe for a moment that the EU will want to punish it's own member states by imposing punitive tariffs on their exports.

I do think that we should be guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in the UK before the process begins - even if our citizens are threatened with deportation.
Whereas I disagree, UK citizens should be the number one priority of the UK government and if the EU will not agree a mutual deal to protect the rights of these people I see no reason why we should do the same. Whilst it is 'the right thing to do' the EU refused to discuss this before article 50 is triggered so they created this situation.

How would you feel if you were a UK citizen living in the EU and you saw the rights of EU citizens in the UK being protected whilst your own rights to live in the country you reside in are still up in the air?

Hayek

8,969 posts

209 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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SunsetZed said:
NDA said:
alock said:
Did you not hear what Davis said? The 'no deal is better than a bad deal' was because of threats of a punishment deal.

The EU want a good deal. The UK want a good deal. If anyone thinks they can punish us then WTO will have to do.
Correct.

I don't believe for a moment that the EU will want to punish it's own member states by imposing punitive tariffs on their exports.

I do think that we should be guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in the UK before the process begins - even if our citizens are threatened with deportation.
Whereas I disagree, UK citizens should be the number one priority of the UK government and if the EU will not agree a mutual deal to protect the rights of these people I see no reason why we should do the same. Whilst it is 'the right thing to do' the EU refused to discuss this before article 50 is triggered so they created this situation.

How would you feel if you were a UK citizen living in the EU and you saw the rights of EU citizens in the UK being protected whilst your own rights to live in the country you reside in are still up in the air?
I agree. Yes it's nice to be nice but sometimes you've got to be pragmatic.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Smollet said:
DrDeAtH said:
Oh fk off Cleggy! Settle our 'tab'. What a prick!
Yup. Didn't seem to understand the difference between having access to and belonging to. He really is not worth listening to these days......
That was an astonishing moment when he quoted what Davis said to try and back up his point, he really is utterly clueless.

dcb

5,839 posts

266 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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paulrockliffe said:
Looking forward to spending our Strasbourg/Brussels rent on the NHS.
+1

Or anything else we feel like spending it on, like fixing the roads.

Hundreds of millions of pounds per week. A not insignificant sum.

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