Carjacking caught live on camera in the MIdlands

[mantis84]

p1stonhead said:

Is it just me who probably wouldnt bother fighting and just hand them the keys? Its insured, why the agro and now presumably risk of them coming back as retailiation and/or getting hurt? - especially if the missus was there too.

Perhaps if it was a classic or special car but a normal Q7?

Or just hand them the keys and then get in the other car to follow them whilst on the phone to the police maybe. Easy to say in hindsight when a chav isn't in your face with a metal bar though...

[superkartracer]

MrBarry123 said:

Little fking s.

I'd of had a go at both of them. Maybe I'd of got hurt. fk it. It'd be worth it in an attempt to give them both life-changing disabilities.

Back in the real world , you would most likely get stabbed , i'd imagine giving them life-changing disabilities would mean someone would burn your house down or a trip to prison etc ( life's unfair ) .

Best to let them have the car ( it's insured ) and walk away/leave them to it ( unless they were attacking you etc ) .

[Digga]

The average, law abiding citizen seems to see only two sides to the law these days;

1. Being on the wrong end of it for a minor traffic infringement, dealt out by an automated system
2. Being the victim of a crime where the police barely seem to care

Meanwhile, the sum who are committed to a life of crime know the stats are on their side, with regard to police response, let alone detection and that if they are caught, they know the system, play it for all it is worth and do not generally fear the sentences.

[superkartracer]

http://news.sky.com/story/1660037/pillion-passenge...

^^ thats the sort of ste people in the UK are now having to deal with , wrong place/time round in the head... delightful.

[skyrover]

Mr Trophy said:

The Spruce goose said:

Fastpedeller said:

Indeed - The only way to get the upper hand would be to kill them, then you'd be in even bigger trouble.

You can kill if you life is in danger but not protecting property. There was the case where a man killed a robber in his house, and no further action was put against him, but can't find the details was in the last 5 years.

Is that not the one that David Cameron got involved?

Had a fight in the kitchen and the "bad guy" grabbed a knife?

He was being attacked on camera... surely he was in high rights to defend himself?

[DaveCWK]

Such a shame she didn't brace herself & drive full pelt into the drivers door.

[MikeyC]

you could just hand the keys over, but what about simply throwing the keys onto say the roof of your house ?

the muggers can't get to them quicky, and there's no point in them attacking you other than maybe to get the spare set of keys

[Liokault]

DaveCWK said:

Such a shame she didn't brace herself & drive full pelt into the drivers door.

Because it would be non claimable on insurance, where as if she left it, any lose should be covered ( I think).

Personally, I like to think I would have done something over and above thinking of cost, although this was all happening so fast I doubt that any financial calculations were happening.

[jonah35]

Feel sorry for them. I've been in a situation like this and it's the shock that gets you initially as you don't fully comprehend what is going on.

Notice how the guy gets hit and still doesn't know what is going on initially.

Easy to think you would beat up both guys and then pick your wife up and whisk her upstairs like a real man lol

[turbobloke]

Apart from sympathy for the victims it's a thought-provoking reminder to say the least in terms of having a response in mind if it happens to you.

As I'm cautious by nature I lock the house door when going outside to drive - we don't kiss on the driveway - so throwing the keys onto the roof sounds reasonable as the house door key would go up with the car keys and the spare set (car) would then remain indoors.

There was a video online some time last year where two crims on a moped tried to rob a well-dressed female with an expensive handbag (it was in BKK) she saw them coming and tried a similar defence by quickly throwing the bag over a high fence (retrieving it later) the attackers left empty handed.

[Digga]

turbobloke said:

As I'm cautious by nature...

Normal operational procedure:

[FurtiveFreddy]

Trunk Monkey is still the best solution IMO

https://youtu.be/JV-XEiUOjYE?t=1m8s

[Digga]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Trunk Monkey is still the best solution IMO

https://youtu.be/JV-XEiUOjYE?t=1m8s

One of our two does have a penchant for jumping into people's boots as soon as they're opened:

[T5XARV]

When encountering such unpleasantness I personally find that a decent torch is an enormous help.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Lights-Spiked-Base...

[TurboHatchback]

T5XARV said:

When encountering such unpleasantness I personally find that a decent torch is an enormous help.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Lights-Spiked-Base...

Does this happen often to you then? Perhaps you should consider moving.

I've never been carjacked but if someone hits me with a metal bar then they'd better do it hard enough to cause some damage because someone is getting hurt. If threatened with a knife I'd probably just let them have it or maybe chuck the keys away if I was feeling optimistic. A car is not worth dying over but I'm not going to give it up unless I think there is a serious threat to my wellbeing.

[rpguk]

T5XARV said:

When encountering such unpleasantness I personally find that a decent torch is an enormous help.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Lights-Spiked-Base...

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[Fish]

jonah35 said:

Feel sorry for them. I've been in a situation like this and it's the shock that gets you initially as you don't fully comprehend what is going on.

Notice how the guy gets hit and still doesn't know what is going on initially.

Easy to think you would beat up both guys and then pick your wife up and whisk her upstairs like a real man lol

I haven't been in that situation but I would imagine if he was prepped for it then yes he probably could have put up a good fight. However when you aren't expecting anything like that it takes a long while till your mind reacts to the issue... That is really what they rely on I assume.

[greygoose]

superkartracer said:

http://news.sky.com/story/1660037/pillion-passenge...

^^ thats the sort of ste people in the UK are now having to deal with , wrong place/time round in the head... delightful.

To be fair the chances of being shot at by some random person on the street are fairly remote in the UK.

[bucksmanuk]

xjay1337 said:

NRS said:

Meridius said:

The Spruce goose said:

I'm really surprised nowadays there isn't a function to shut the car down via mobile etc. it would allow the scum to the take the car you log on a website or speak to someone and the car is shut down. Takes all the worry etc out and no need to risk your life.

I have thought about this as well, like those American 'Bait Car' programmes, the car is shut down and locked remotely, leaving the thief stuck inside the car. Surely this would be the best option for these types of car key burglaries or carjackings nowadays, just let them take the car without putting up a fight, thief gets round the corner and the car shuts down completely with them stuck inside it until the police turn up.

I guess problem is what happens if the system is hacked (could car be shut off remotely on motorway for example) or more likely, if there is a glitch in the system producing the same result.

There is an aftermarket system. I forgot the code but basically if you open and shut the door after a short while ~(30 seconds) it will start beeping giving you another minute to enter a code on a touch pad.
Saw it in some video in America, tried to look but can't find it now.

A mate was involved with a company doing high tech security. 20 years ago they were approached by the police to investigate the possibility of shutting down a car remotely by electronic wizardry.
So instead of PC Plod chasing the miscreants, they just hit the chased car ECU annihilator button, kill the engine and it slows to halt. Research was doing well and a prototype made, until some legal bod pointed out - with the engine cut out, who now has responsibility for controlling the car? At the time, it was decided to be a legal minefield, and the project was canned.
Please don’t ask me about the technicalities, I’m a mechanical engineer, I don’t like electronics – it’s all voodoo.

Still an absolute buggar to be attacked in broad daylight in your front garden/driveway and they drive off in your car. Retaliate successfully and it’s all bad news from there on in....

[FurtiveFreddy]

Back in the days when cars were simple pieces of engineering, a problem like this could be solved by fitting a hidden switch in the car which would cut the feed to the fuel pump or ignition.

That way you could hand over the keys, step away from the fracas and calmly phone the police whilst watching the scrotes vainly trying to get your car started.