Government defeated in the Lords re refugee children.
Discussion
Cameron's week goes from bad to worse.
If these genuinely are children then perhaps we should be taking in some more. If however they are the sort of 'children' we see at refugees centres in Sweden and elsewhere then it's a recipe for disaster.
Peers have voted overwhelmingly to urge the Government to take in 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees from Europe.
Tories Fail To Block Labour’s Plan To Bring 3,000 Unaccompanied Refugee Children To The UK
If these genuinely are children then perhaps we should be taking in some more. If however they are the sort of 'children' we see at refugees centres in Sweden and elsewhere then it's a recipe for disaster.
Peers have voted overwhelmingly to urge the Government to take in 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees from Europe.
Tories Fail To Block Labour’s Plan To Bring 3,000 Unaccompanied Refugee Children To The UK
vonuber said:
Puggit said:
The worst thing is that one of these children will grow up to become a 'home grown terorrist'
They certainly will if they encounter you and your attitude! What you'll see more of is kids sent across Europe with friends or other family and then getting to places like Calais and claiming to get the UK.
That or the family splits Itself up at Calais only to wait for the kid to be taken to the UK and then present themselves to a UK official and claiming a right to come and settle.
That or the family splits Itself up at Calais only to wait for the kid to be taken to the UK and then present themselves to a UK official and claiming a right to come and settle.
Thank you Lefties... welcome the new refugee children that will get automatic status and bring their families across at our expense.
See below for the fastest 14 year old in Sweden.
Their prime minister (2nd right) visiting a refugee children home, surrounded by the vulnerable kids.
Why do they do it? because being under 16 with no passport means the UK are not allowed to query the kids as thats against EU directives and so effectively get automatic asylum, when they do, they are allowed by EU law to bring their family across to look after them.
Farce that ruins it for the actual refugee kids... though very few actual exist in Europe near the UK, when I see the pictures of Calais and 90% are young men.
See below for the fastest 14 year old in Sweden.
Their prime minister (2nd right) visiting a refugee children home, surrounded by the vulnerable kids.
Why do they do it? because being under 16 with no passport means the UK are not allowed to query the kids as thats against EU directives and so effectively get automatic asylum, when they do, they are allowed by EU law to bring their family across to look after them.
Farce that ruins it for the actual refugee kids... though very few actual exist in Europe near the UK, when I see the pictures of Calais and 90% are young men.
vonuber said:
Puggit said:
The worst thing is that one of these children will grow up to become a 'home grown terorrist'
They certainly will if they encounter you and your attitude! Interesting thoughts. We are approaching Schroedinger-esque territory here.
Puggit said:
vonuber said:
Puggit said:
The worst thing is that one of these children will grow up to become a 'home grown terrorist'
They certainly will if they encounter you and your attitude! Interesting thoughts. We are approaching Schroedinger-esque territory here.
JagLover said:
Virtue signalling over good governance.
and yes if you start offering free access to "children" you will end with the Swedish kind of refugee "children".
Not by accident. Government stuffed full of closet Marxists who love interfering and spending other people's money. (Not their own mind). and yes if you start offering free access to "children" you will end with the Swedish kind of refugee "children".
gruffalo said:
If these really are unaccompanied children then where will all the support they will need come from?
3000 foster homes, school places, language teachers to get them speaking English quickly, where is it all?
History tells us that if we are nice and pleasant towards refugees they'll only turn on us in later years. Look at the children brought into this country from Germany in the pre-war years. I mean, who doesn't know of a Jewish suicide bomber?3000 foster homes, school places, language teachers to get them speaking English quickly, where is it all?
I was brought up in a mixed race area of London and there were Jewish families there who fled the pogram. Most, in fact all those I knew, were so grateful for the stance that the UK took, in contrast to many other countries, some of which actually refused entry to all, that they were probably the most patriotic and uncritical of all the people I knew.
If being a leftie means having sympathy for children caught up in these wars and a desire to do something about it then I'm obviously there with Corbyn.
Support, at least pre war, came from people touched by their plight. Despite having little of their own in the dreadfully run economy of this country, they forked out the extra themselves. Some in my family put them up for a time. People do, even those with all but nothing.
Derek Smith said:
gruffalo said:
If these really are unaccompanied children then where will all the support they will need come from?
3000 foster homes, school places, language teachers to get them speaking English quickly, where is it all?
History tells us that if we are nice and pleasant towards refugees they'll only turn on us in later years. Look at the children brought into this country from Germany in the pre-war years. I mean, who doesn't know of a Jewish suicide bomber?3000 foster homes, school places, language teachers to get them speaking English quickly, where is it all?
I was brought up in a mixed race area of London and there were Jewish families there who fled the pogram. Most, in fact all those I knew, were so grateful for the stance that the UK took, in contrast to many other countries, some of which actually refused entry to all, that they were probably the most patriotic and uncritical of all the people I knew.
If being a leftie means having sympathy for children caught up in these wars and a desire to do something about it then I'm obviously there with Corbyn.
Support, at least pre war, came from people touched by their plight. Despite having little of their own in the dreadfully run economy of this country, they forked out the extra themselves. Some in my family put them up for a time. People do, even those with all but nothing.
Also will you pay for them all 3000, because I will not, we have plenty of kids in this country that need looking after, they in my books should get priority.
eatcustard said:
History tells us the religion of peace will bite you on the bum.
Also will you pay for them all 3000, because I will not, we have plenty of kids in this country that need looking after, they in my books should get priority.
I've no doubt that similar arguments were used in the 30s to try and limit the number of Jews fleeing the pogram we took in. It worked in some countries. There was an agreed quota system. Most countries, including those who see themselves now as the protectors of Jews, didn't get anywhere near the quota. The UK, on the other hand, doubled its 'quota' and publicly, in the hope that it would shame others. Some hope.Also will you pay for them all 3000, because I will not, we have plenty of kids in this country that need looking after, they in my books should get priority.
The UK didn't get near its revised figure, but exceeded the quota number by some distance.
In the East End, even in the late 70s, the gratitude of the Jewish 'community' was palpable. I had a 'tea stop' with one refugee who arrived before kristallnacht. There's few I've found who were so patriotic. When she discovered I knew nothing of the quota system or the UK's response she refused to make me any more coffee until I could tell her what happened.
The welcome in 'The Towers' from the Jews was very pronounced.
These are children and I expect my taxes will go towards their care. I would also expect, given history - that great denouncer of prejudice - that these kids will make positive contributions to this country, just like the Jews and other émigrés.
My paternal grandparents came from Ireland, then in the UK fair enough, but they fled. They gave five sons to the two world wars, and probably 8 sons-in-law. I think they did their bit. They belonged to a religion that the natives didn't like.
I was brought up to do one's bit, and that included treating foreigners in a way I'd like to be treated in their country.
BlackLabel said:
Cameron's week goes from bad to worse.
If these genuinely are children then perhaps we should be taking in some more. If however they are the sort of 'children' we see at refugees centres in Sweden and elsewhere then it's a recipe for disaster.
Peers have voted overwhelmingly to urge the Government to take in 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees from Europe.
Tories Fail To Block Labour’s Plan To Bring 3,000 Unaccompanied Refugee Children To The UK
So why is his week going from bad to worse? It's not actually going to happen, non-storyIf these genuinely are children then perhaps we should be taking in some more. If however they are the sort of 'children' we see at refugees centres in Sweden and elsewhere then it's a recipe for disaster.
Peers have voted overwhelmingly to urge the Government to take in 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees from Europe.
Tories Fail To Block Labour’s Plan To Bring 3,000 Unaccompanied Refugee Children To The UK
Derek Smith said:
I was brought up to do one's bit, and that included treating foreigners in a way I'd like to be treated in their country.
I agree with you here, but they dont return the favour, they want sharia law and Halal meat etc etc, then have strop when they dont get there way.They can all go live in a Muslim country that will ponder to there needs.
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