Nato concerned Isil is plotting nuclear attack on UK
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Timmy40 said:
The Wookie said:
s3fella said:
With luck they will implant the bomb in Merkel
A snuke?When I used to work with equipment which contained radioactive isotopes (Fe-55, Cd-109, Am-241) I had a visit from a 'Home office representative' and a local police inspector who wanted to view our security.
Equipment and isotopes were kept in a locked safe in a storage cupboard with a lead-lined door. They were happy with our security, especially as all radiation warning signs were placed where they couldn't be seen from outside, thus not drawing unwelcome attention.
I did comment that the isotopes we used (with the exception of the Americium one) were pretty safe and very unlikely to cause any harm.
Their response was that the danger came from the media hype creating panic when they announced that 'A radioactive isotope has been found in a shopping mall in Milton Keynes', much like the article mentioned in the OP of this thread!
There is a lot of misinformation and fear regarding radiation and I think that the public should be better informed as to when it can be dangerous and when it is (comparatively) safe.
For example... I was flying back from Finland with a couple of the packages which were used to transport the isotopes.
The packages in question were a lead pot (with lid) which would normally contain the source wrapped in foil. This pot was held in a polystyrene liner within a tin (think large tin of peaches!
) with a sealed lid and a radiation hazard label.
The two 'tins' I was carrying were to ship spent isotopes back to the supplier for disposal. On this occasion the tins contained no isotopes!
Seeing the lead pots on the airport security scanner, the security staff asked me what was in my case. I told them that they were empty containers.
They wanted to see these so I took them out of my case. Unfortunately these empty tins still had the Rad-Haz labels on them... Cue panic!
I told them that the containers were empty and even offered to open them to prove it! They decided they'd rather not see inside!
I was not allowed to take these on the plane! (In future I carried the same items without labels and had no problem!)
Equipment and isotopes were kept in a locked safe in a storage cupboard with a lead-lined door. They were happy with our security, especially as all radiation warning signs were placed where they couldn't be seen from outside, thus not drawing unwelcome attention.
I did comment that the isotopes we used (with the exception of the Americium one) were pretty safe and very unlikely to cause any harm.
Their response was that the danger came from the media hype creating panic when they announced that 'A radioactive isotope has been found in a shopping mall in Milton Keynes', much like the article mentioned in the OP of this thread!
There is a lot of misinformation and fear regarding radiation and I think that the public should be better informed as to when it can be dangerous and when it is (comparatively) safe.
For example... I was flying back from Finland with a couple of the packages which were used to transport the isotopes.
The packages in question were a lead pot (with lid) which would normally contain the source wrapped in foil. This pot was held in a polystyrene liner within a tin (think large tin of peaches!
) with a sealed lid and a radiation hazard label.The two 'tins' I was carrying were to ship spent isotopes back to the supplier for disposal. On this occasion the tins contained no isotopes!
Seeing the lead pots on the airport security scanner, the security staff asked me what was in my case. I told them that they were empty containers.
They wanted to see these so I took them out of my case. Unfortunately these empty tins still had the Rad-Haz labels on them... Cue panic!
I told them that the containers were empty and even offered to open them to prove it! They decided they'd rather not see inside!
I was not allowed to take these on the plane! (In future I carried the same items without labels and had no problem!)
otolith said:
There have been a couple of very nasty accidents with misplaced industrial or medical radiological material, though, which gives some idea of the damage that could be caused. Again, not so much in terms of deaths, but in terms of leaving a hell of a mess that costs a lot of time and money to clean up.
http://listverse.com/2011/08/07/10-more-cases-of-d...
This tells me ISIS only needs to target a medical centre to get their hands on some pretty dangerous materials, just as well they haven't taken over any towns with such equipment in it.http://listverse.com/2011/08/07/10-more-cases-of-d...
Oh hang on a sec! ;-/
Welshbeef said:
I posted a similar thread a short while ago - the general PH posting on it was its all tosh with many dubious cartoon or mocking pics posted.
Wasn't your thread about them supposedly trying to drop such items by drone? The issues PHers had was was centered more around the fact that using drones would be highly inefficient and problematic - not the fact that ISIL may be 'planning' to use nuclear or biological weapons.
They can plan all they want - actually carrying out an attack of this nature is a whole other ballgame.
Zod said:
yellowjack, if you had ever seen any real intelligence, you'd have signed the Official Secrets Act and you wouldn't be positing here about it. Therefore, I conclude that you are a fantasist.
Believe what you wish, fella. But I've heard that Zod came from another planet. Whilst I don't believe you're an alien, you're certainly away with the Faeries. You can console yourself with the belief that I'm some kind of Walt, while I get the Silvo out and polish my medals.Seriously. I've tried to be nice, and just restrict myself to answering questions that folk have, without spilling anything I shouldn't. But you keep on having a pop. You're coming across as a bit of a f
kwit to be honest. If you think that you're some kind of folk hero "outing" a fantasist, crack on. I enlisted as a 'boy' soldier straight from school in 1987, and served my last day in late 2012. Fact. From where does your expert knowledge come? A boxed set of Soldier, Soldier? I've been fully up front about my status as 'retired', and therefore a great deal of what I 'know' is well out of date. But suffice to repeat: There are (or at least were, 7 years ago, when I was dishing out ammo and explosives to the UK Ops teams concerned) plans in place, and teams and equipment on standby to be called out to deal with terrorist "dirty" bombs. Being as how the threat of a mainland UK terror attack has not diminished in the intervening period, I seriously doubt that the equipment has been put up for disposal and the teams stood down. 33 Engr Regt (EOD) used to be our 'Regular' EOD unit, with 101 (City of London) Engr Regt (EOD)(V) as the TA (reserve) EOD unit. In response to the heavy level of EOD commitments in Iraq/Afghanistan 101 were re-roled as a regular unit, and the squadrons were shared between the two regiments, each retaining one Reserve squadron. It's possible that with draw-down from operations, the government may decide to return one of the two regiments back over to reserve status or even disband one of them. But the way the global threat is developing, the need for EOD & Search teams for the MACP (Military Aid to the Civil Powers) role is only going to increase. That will be my last contribution to this thread now. Gobstes like you really piss me off, and spoil threads like this for those that want a little insight from those that know enough to be able to speak from experience. And no. I don't know what colour the boathouse is at Hereford, because I've never been there. But I was close friends with someone who was RTU'd from Selection once, if that helps?
danllama said:
Stop trolling.
Hubris 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
"Hubris is usually perceived as a characteristic of an individual rather than a group, although the group the offender belongs to may unintentionally suffer consequences from the wrongful act. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities.
As one might expect, hubris is not necessarily associated with high self-esteem but with highly fluctuating or variable self-esteem, and a gap between inflated self perception and a more modest reality.
Excessive feelings of hubris have a tendency to create conflict, sometimes terminating close relationships; which has led it to be understood as one of the few emotions with no clear positive or adaptive function (Rhodwalt, et al.)."
hairykrishna said:
Timmy40 said:
Tony Starks said:
Out of curiosity, how many successful/attempted dirty/radioactive type attacks have there been?
I know the Russians make a mean cuppa, but that didnt exactly cause wide spread damage/hysteria or a massive death toll.
The only one I can think of is the Sasrin Gas attack on teh Japanese metro system. I know the Russians make a mean cuppa, but that didnt exactly cause wide spread damage/hysteria or a massive death toll.
S1MMA said:
Zod said:
Me? Are you serious? You take this fantasist seriously?
He seems to know what he is talking about, you seem like a dick. How about you let the grown ups talk and keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.My conspiracy theories? Ha!
burritoNinja said:
I think it is only a matter of time before those looney Islamic idiots do carry out a major attack. It honestly bloody well scares me who fanatical they are. Paris was beyond shocking. It has put us off going to Europe.
I am forever grateful for the excellent work that the likes of M16/GCHQ do on a daily basis to help prevent any attacks. God know what they have stopped from happening so far.
Total over reaction, just what the terrorists are trying to achieve !I am forever grateful for the excellent work that the likes of M16/GCHQ do on a daily basis to help prevent any attacks. God know what they have stopped from happening so far.
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