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p1stonhead said:
Yeah but people who write about and review music professionally are the most elitist snobby t
ts ever to walk the earth.
Hard to resist the Frank Zappa quote about music journalism here:ts ever to walk the earth. "People who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read."
Superb tribute by Bruce there, a man of integrity.
ReallyReallyGood said:
p1stonhead said:
The Boss did a fantastic tribute to him the other day. Opened his show with Purple Rain - that solo 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOxeKA2WNE
Quality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOxeKA2WNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqIsxyyQuTA
Nail. Head.
So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
BigLion said:
Nail. Head.
So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
Agree with all of that and good for you for putting a marker down on the collective fakery of public mourning. It's sick. It's bad for the psyche of the wailing mourner, I'm saddened at anyone's passing, but only peripherally if they are not close to me and mine.So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
Mawkishness is a psychosis and it can be detrimental to anyone close.
Only this evening I listened to a Radio 4 programme about how Holocaust survivors have caused their kids psychological damage by endlessly reliving their past. They have impeded their own children by not setting the past aside and moving on. Nurturing PTSD in your own kids is an extreme example of what the permanently mournful suffer but it is the same psychosis.
It's a modern sickness of the mind and very very harmful.
BigLion said:
Nail. Head.
So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
I'd say when I heard about Amy I was 'abit shocked' but not surprised. When my Dad died who I wasn't close to I rapidly lost a stone, drank a fair bit and was in shock. So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
So there's quite a bit of difference, you miss the music, the person behind that but that is mild and you move on instantly as you don't know them on any dimensional level
honest_delboy said:
Not a massive Prince fan but do respect he made some very popular and unique music.
Raspberry Beret :
I was working part time at the <wherever i'm currently working> , my boss was <whoever my boss was>
He told me several time that he didn't like my kind, that i was far too <whatever i was guilty of doing/notdoing>
etc etc
I've been singing that at every place i've worked the past 20 years, never fails to raise a titter.
LOL! Were you just 2 leisurely?Raspberry Beret :
I was working part time at the <wherever i'm currently working> , my boss was <whoever my boss was>
He told me several time that he didn't like my kind, that i was far too <whatever i was guilty of doing/notdoing>
etc etc
I've been singing that at every place i've worked the past 20 years, never fails to raise a titter.
Just love Prince lyrics.
RottenIcons said:
BigLion said:
Nail. Head.
So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
Agree with all of that and good for you for putting a marker down on the collective fakery of public mourning. It's sick. It's bad for the psyche of the wailing mourner, I'm saddened at anyone's passing, but only peripherally if they are not close to me and mine.So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
Mawkishness is a psychosis and it can be detrimental to anyone close.
Only this evening I listened to a Radio 4 programme about how Holocaust survivors have caused their kids psychological damage by endlessly reliving their past. They have impeded their own children by not setting the past aside and moving on. Nurturing PTSD in your own kids is an extreme example of what the permanently mournful suffer but it is the same psychosis.
It's a modern sickness of the mind and very very harmful.
Europa1 said:
RottenIcons said:
BigLion said:
Nail. Head.
So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
Agree with all of that and good for you for putting a marker down on the collective fakery of public mourning. It's sick. It's bad for the psyche of the wailing mourner, I'm saddened at anyone's passing, but only peripherally if they are not close to me and mine.So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
Mawkishness is a psychosis and it can be detrimental to anyone close.
Only this evening I listened to a Radio 4 programme about how Holocaust survivors have caused their kids psychological damage by endlessly reliving their past. They have impeded their own children by not setting the past aside and moving on. Nurturing PTSD in your own kids is an extreme example of what the permanently mournful suffer but it is the same psychosis.
It's a modern sickness of the mind and very very harmful.
Why not create a thread to discuss your opinions and leave this one for people who want to discuss Prince rather than pontificate?
BigLion said:
Nail. Head.
So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
You're talking rubbish, Bowie fans commiserated on the Bowie thread, Prince on the Prince one, I was no great fan of Victoria Wood and didn't contribute to that. Was anyone saying what a loss David Gest was or how upset they were by his passing?So many people ‘crying’ or ‘in bits’ over Bowie. F*** YOU. You are not ten – you are an adult. Man the f*** up and say something interesting”.
And this, fundamentally, is why many so many of the social grievers are wrong. They want your attention - they often crave it – but only if your thoughts are of the approved sort.
They place themselves in a position where anyone who disagrees with them is the bad guy. They dominate the media narrative while cheerfully playing the victim card. It’s like a virtual safe space.
“We’ve got an awful lot of pensionable celebrities these days and they’re all going to die at some point”
Look at how many of the social media posts in the wake of a celebrity death are about the poster and their own feelings.
It’s difficult not to come to the conclusion that for many social grievers, it’s more about them than the dead person. Many of these posts are nothing more than a mixture of narcissism and virtue-signalling masquerading as grief.
Look too at the timelines of many of today’s virtual mourners. You’ll find they’re devastated on a remarkably regular basis.
What they felt about Prince, they also felt about Victoria Wood, David Bowie, David Guest, Alan Rickman and so on ... These poor people. Do they live in a permanent state of grief ?
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
No.
desolate said:
Yet your opinion on the matter is so important you needed to share it with the Internet.
Why not create a thread to discuss your opinions and leave this one for people who want to discuss Prince rather than pontificate?
Equal importance.Why not create a thread to discuss your opinions and leave this one for people who want to discuss Prince rather than pontificate?
I shared my opinion mainly with the chap who laid the marker down, no-one has to read all of my post, if you see the direction it's heading then you can save yourself angst and stop, just as I do with certain posts.
Europa1 said:
It's a very odd recent phenomenon in the UK which I can't get my head around. I think the first time it struck me was with the death of Princess Diana. Yes, it was a shock in that it was unexpected, and somehow tragically mundane, that she should die in a road crash because her chauffeur was whacked out of his gourd and she wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and yes I felt enormous sympathy for her family, but not once did I feel the urge to sign a book of condolence, buy some cheap flowers from a petrol station, and indulge in public wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Posting a couple of memories on an internet forum is hardly in the same bracket as actively taking a bus trip to sign a book, get some money out to purchase flowers etc...Europa1 said:
It's a very odd recent phenomenon in the UK which I can't get my head around. I think the first time it struck me was with the death of Princess Diana. Yes, it was a shock in that it was unexpected, and somehow tragically mundane, that she should die in a road crash because her chauffeur was whacked out of his gourd and she wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and yes I felt enormous sympathy for her family, but not once did I feel the urge to sign a book of condolence, buy some cheap flowers from a petrol station, and indulge in public wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I think the Diana event sticks in the mind precisely because it was so over the top by BRITISH standards. However, there have been many, many "celebrity" deaths since the cult of "celebrity" began (at least 100 years ago) and many have elicited strong responses from the public - even the British public. The key factors are - did the celebrity die at an age earlier than would be considered "normal?
was the celebrity still in the public eye?
did the celebrity still have a strong following?
was the celebrity considered influential in the artistic area in which they rose to fame?
was the celebrity considered influential on popular culture outside of their particular artistic sphere?
If all these criteria are satisfied, I think there will be a fairly large public response.
The first celebrity death that REALLY caused a mass outpouring of grief was probably Rudolph Valentino back in the 1920s. He was one of the first Hollywood megastars and was at his peak when he died very suddenly at the age of 31.
I still remember the mass upset caused by the deaths of Elvis Presley (aged 42) in 1977 and John Lennon (aged 40) in 1980.
I would suggest that the death of Bowie was on a par with Elvis and Lennon and that Prince's death is actually at a slightly lower level - purely because popular music is less of a social influencer than it was in the 50s to the 70s.
br d said:
p1stonhead said:
Yeah but people who write about and review music professionally are the most elitist snobby tts ever to walk the earth.
Hard to resist the Frank Zappa quote about music journalism here:ts ever to walk the earth. "People who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read."
Eric Mc said:
I would suggest that the death of Bowie was on a par with Elvis and Lennon and that Prince's death is actually at a slightly lower level - purely because popular music is less of a social influencer than it was in the 50s to the 70s.
It's all too subjective to be formulaic, Eric 
Memories of your first kiss, wedding song, no1 when your eldest was born, what you want to be played at your funeral....
Prince didn't connect with me so I haven't posted a memory. Along with you, I respect the right of others to feel differently.
BigLion said:
Besides, all this has me wondering: if you get so cut up over celeb deaths, what happens when real people die? Like your mum and dad? You know, the people who raised you and changed your nappies and made you a human being.
Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
I was upset when Bowie died, and Victoria and Lemmy and Prince and Ronnie. But Paul Daniels, Diana, David Guest, Amy Winehouse etc didn't bother me at all.Would you have enough grief left for them? Or would they become just another weekly cry for you: “Gutted for mum, in heaven with #prince”.
You see, like my parents; Bowie, Victoria, Lemmy, Prince and Ronnie had an effect on my life. Like my parents they helped to form my sense of humour, the music I enjoy; helped to make me the human that I am.
But no, I don't grieve for them like I am doing for my parents. There is no comparison
I'm not really talking about how I feel particularly. I'm just commenting on how the public reacts to celebrity deaths.
The point I'm making is that an outpouring of grief or even just comment on the passing of a well known personality is not that unusual or new. That's why I mentioned Rudolph Valentino's death from 1929.
The one difference we have between 1929 and even up to the 1990s is the Internet - which allows people a place where they can make a comment. In earlier times, opportunities to state publicly what you felt about something were much more limited.
The point I'm making is that an outpouring of grief or even just comment on the passing of a well known personality is not that unusual or new. That's why I mentioned Rudolph Valentino's death from 1929.
The one difference we have between 1929 and even up to the 1990s is the Internet - which allows people a place where they can make a comment. In earlier times, opportunities to state publicly what you felt about something were much more limited.
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