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Ali2202 said:
Quite singularly the most glib responses I've seen on PH for a long time. Poor show. Try harder to understand Voight Kampff 
Why shouldn't my responses be glib? VK was a FAN - geddit? Not a member of Prince whatever's family! Poor show? Says who? You? Oh well you must be correct. Frankly, I'd be more upset if my window cleaner passed away. People should be able to separate feelings of nostalgia from deep personal loss. I'm surprised some posters can function properly, what with all these hugely popular celebrities passing in the last few months. MarshPhantom said:
Eric Mc said:
I still remember the mass upset caused by the deaths of Elvis Presley (aged 42) in 1977 and John Lennon (aged 40) in 1980.
I would suggest that the death of Bowie was on a par with Elvis and Lennon and that Prince's death is actually at a slightly lower level - purely because popular music is less of a social influencer than it was in the 50s to the 70s.
Me too, my Mum cried like a baby at the passing of Elvis, she'd been a huge fan since the early days. Lennon's death was on a different level to Bowie, due to his age and how he died, nothing to do with who was best. Bowie was an old man and contrary to the stories going around now had been rumoured to be ill for a long time.I would suggest that the death of Bowie was on a par with Elvis and Lennon and that Prince's death is actually at a slightly lower level - purely because popular music is less of a social influencer than it was in the 50s to the 70s.
Diana died not long after me and the O/H moved to London and we went around the Mall, Kensington Palace shortly after she died. The sea of flowers and candles really was an amazing site, beyond that her death didn't effect me in the slightest.
Lennon was very definitely a different case, which made it all the more shocking.
One thing is for sure - whilst the death of Prince has shocked me in a big way, it doesn't even begin to compare to the death of my dad, grandparents, etc.
popeyewhite said:
Ali2202 said:
Quite singularly the most glib responses I've seen on PH for a long time. Poor show. Try harder to understand
Why shouldn't my responses be glib? VK was a FAN - geddit? Not a member of Prince whatever's family! Poor show? Says who? You? Oh well you must be correct. Frankly, I'd be more upset if my window cleaner passed away. People should be able to separate feelings of nostalgia from deep personal loss. I'm surprised some posters can function properly, what with all these hugely popular celebrities passing in the last few months. Eric Mc said:
I'm obviously living on borrowed time if that's the case.
Don't drink, don't smoke, take regular exercise and eat a healthy diet. Do this and you stand a chance of making the life expectancy in this country. The ALE for African Americans is 74, so Prince lost possibly 17 years of his life. Given he was a rock star with all the 'distractions' that entails one shouldn't be surprised he passed at that age.popeyewhite said:
Don't drink, don't smoke, take regular exercise and eat a healthy diet. Do this and you stand a chance of making the life expectancy in this country. The ALE for African Americans is 74, so Prince lost possibly 17 years of his life. Given he was a rock star with all the 'distractions' that entails one shouldn't be surprised he passed at that age.
Prince had a fairly 'clean' reputation - In fact he was famous for his 'clean' lifestyle. In addition to not smoking or drinking, he was known as being vehemently anti-drug, eschewing marijuana, cocaine and other street drugs. Although his hands-off approach didn’t hold for opioids 
Lemmy was 70 and constantly did drugs & JD
Ronnie Wood is 68
Keith Richards is 72
Need I say more?
ali_kat said:
Prince had a fairly 'clean' reputation - In fact he was famous for his 'clean' lifestyle. In addition to not smoking or drinking, he was known as being vehemently anti-drug, eschewing marijuana, cocaine and other street drugs. Although his hands-off approach didn’t hold for opioids
Lemmy was 70 and constantly did drugs & JD
Ronnie Wood is 68
Keith Richards is 72
Need I say more?
Referencing 3 dinosaurs, one of whom died riddled with cancer, all of whom that are/were considered lucky to live as long as they have, is not really a realistic benchmark! Are you saying 'look these people took drugs - and and they're still alive'? Really?Lemmy was 70 and constantly did drugs & JD
Ronnie Wood is 68
Keith Richards is 72
Need I say more?
BTW, I'd heard Prince used drugs for many years, had been a habitual coke user, and only recovered from an overdose fairly recently. Not a lot of point debating how few drugs a rock star used IMO, but whatever the autopsy will reveal all I suppose.
Ali2202 said:
Because being glib is a particular low.
Again, in your opinion. As the subject matter is of different import to each of us I'd suggest the meaning of the word differs. But as your mind is dulled by grief I'm not expecting you to understand that concept.Ali2202 said:
I'm concerned that you would feel 'deep personal loss' if your window-cleaner passed away.
Don't be concerned, he didn't and anyway if he had I'd be over it now.Ali2202 said:
Struggling for friends?
I've not really pondered the matter, I'd say I'll get back to you on that but to be honest I have to teach later then attend a meeting before dashing back to put an ill child to bed.Ali2202 said:
That's what you get for being an opinionated and glib smart-arse I suppose.
A pop star has died. Get over yourself.limpsfield said:
I can't claim to speak for everyone, but I for one am looking forward to more posts from popeyewhite on how we shouldn't be bothered by all this.
It does interest/surprise me that some people see a thread title that is of no interest for them but yet they feel the need to be condescending to other posters in the thread.popeyewhite said:
popeyewhite said:
Don't drink, don't smoke, take regular exercise and eat a healthy diet. Do this and you stand a chance of making the life expectancy in this country. The ALE for African Americans is 74, so Prince lost possibly 17 years of his life. Given he was a rock star with all the 'distractions' that entails one shouldn't be surprised he passed at that age.
ali_kat said:
Prince had a fairly 'clean' reputation - In fact he was famous for his 'clean' lifestyle. In addition to not smoking or drinking, he was known as being vehemently anti-drug, eschewing marijuana, cocaine and other street drugs. Although his hands-off approach didn’t hold for opioids
Lemmy was 70 and constantly did drugs & JD
Ronnie Wood is 68
Keith Richards is 72
Need I say more?
Referencing 3 dinosaurs, one of whom died riddled with cancer, all of whom that are/were considered lucky to live as long as they have, is not really a realistic benchmark! Are you saying 'look these people took drugs - and and they're still alive'? Really?Lemmy was 70 and constantly did drugs & JD
Ronnie Wood is 68
Keith Richards is 72
Need I say more?
BTW, I'd heard Prince used drugs for many years, had been a habitual coke user, and only recovered from an overdose fairly recently. Not a lot of point debating how few drugs a rock star used IMO, but whatever the autopsy will reveal all I suppose.
Your BTW shows just how little about Prince you actually know. Prince swore off drugs and alcohol as a kid due to his epilepsy. It is claimed by a drug dealer that he used opioids to help combat stage fright, (which I refered to); but even he says
“He wasn’t really a party guy, he was doing these drugs so he could feel at ease around people.”
“He never smoked or shot up, or snorted cocaine. He was always functional and I never saw him out of it or strung out. At the time I was dealing other drugs too but he never asked for anything else. In fact he always seemed very healthy. He didn’t drink as far as I know and he would always eat salads, he didn’t even have skin on chicken!”
Edited by ali_kat on Wednesday 27th April 16:05
garyhun said:
limpsfield said:
I can't claim to speak for everyone, but I for one am looking forward to more posts from popeyewhite on how we shouldn't be bothered by all this.
It does interest/surprise me that some people see a thread title that is of no interest for them but yet they feel the need to be condescending to other posters in the thread.
ali_kat said:
My reference to the 3 elderly rock stars that have lived far closer to the ALE you refer to despite a fairly constant diet of drinking, smoking and drugs is to show you that your words were absolute poppycock with regards to a rock stars life. Which is why I have put your original quote back in.
[condescension] Yes dear, a rock star's life expectancy is different from the rest of the population. And when they take drugs - because they're rock stars - they're impervious to the long term damage that drugs do to everyone else. This is undeniably true because you've given 3 credible examples of the fact. [/condescension]
ali_kat said:
Your BTW shows just how little about Prince you actually know.
Happy to admit I tried his music and was totally unmoved - the fact he used coke is widely acknowledged as is his recent near overdose. As I said, let's wait for the autopsy.I would say Rock stars like Kieth Richards and Ronnie Wood, and the others that survive, do so because, when not taking drugs and pissing about, they have unlimited money to spend on living incredibly well. Richards has been straight for years by his own admission - knocked the hard stuff on the head years ago. The Rolling Stones tours are a massive business. As are all old-school rock band affairs. Too much at stake and has been for ages. It's all personal trainers an orange juice now.
popeyewhite said:
ali_kat said:
My reference to the 3 elderly rock stars that have lived far closer to the ALE you refer to despite a fairly constant diet of drinking, smoking and drugs is to show you that your words were absolute poppycock with regards to a rock stars life. Which is why I have put your original quote back in.
[condescension] Yes dear, a rock star's life expectancy is different from the rest of the population. And when they take drugs - because they're rock stars - they're impervious to the long term damage that drugs do to everyone else. This is undeniably true because you've given 3 credible examples of the fact. [/condescension]
head in every post you make?You said that he cut 17 years off his life because he was a rock star & did drugs. I merely gave 3 extreme examples to counter your suggestion.
popeyewhite said:
ali_kat said:
Your BTW shows just how little about Prince you actually know.
Happy to admit I tried his music and was totally unmoved - the fact he used coke is widely acknowledged as is his recent near overdose. As I said, let's wait for the autopsy.
Show us; unless of course you are referring to the report from TMZ which is heresay from people that died in 2006 & 2011. Maybe you're getting a little confused with the headlines thrown up by your Google of 'Prince uses coke', let me explain that they refer to Prince Harry and some Saudi Princes 
He always sang against drug taking and famously sacked people (Band members and bodyguards etc) around him that used coke.
Now do us all a favour, stop trying to blacken peoples names with false rumours and stay out of threads where you have zero interest other than being argumentative for the sake of it - it's against the posting rules (no 2
)W124 said:
I would say Rock stars like Kieth Richards and Ronnie Wood, and the others that survive, do so because, when not taking drugs and pissing about, they have unlimited money to spend on living incredibly well.
That's undoubtedly a factor, so is being very lucky. However the other side of the coin is people like Elvis and Michael Jackson who both eventually became drug abusers as a consequence of earning so much they lived in a cocoon which allowed people close to them to contribute to their ill-health.popeyewhite said:
Don't drink, don't smoke, take regular exercise and eat a healthy diet. Do this and you stand a chance of making the life expectancy in this country. The ALE for African Americans is 74, so Prince lost possibly 17 years of his life. Given he was a rock star with all the 'distractions' that entails one shouldn't be surprised he passed at that age.
Remember, ALE is what it says it is - an average. Prince's wealth and access to healthcare immediately took him above average. As did his fitness level and intellect. This was then reduced (fatally it would seem) by his 'distractions'.Jockman said:
Remember, ALE is what it says it is - an average. Prince's wealth and access to healthcare immediately took him above average. As did his fitness level and intellect. This was then reduced (fatally it would seem) by his 'distractions'.
Quite possibly, though I'd suggest education is more important to ALE than intellect.popeyewhite said:
Jockman said:
Remember, ALE is what it says it is - an average. Prince's wealth and access to healthcare immediately took him above average. As did his fitness level and intellect. This was then reduced (fatally it would seem) by his 'distractions'.
Quite possibly, though I'd suggest education is more important to ALE than intellect.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff