The Presidents in town. Are his men packing heat?

[98elise]

5ohmustang said:

Most if not all of the anti gunners on here have never touched or been near a gun. The most contact you will ever have is the st on the bbc, leftist media outlets, hollywood and the rest of the crooks.

I'm ex-forces and and a weapons engineer. Guns were my profession for a decade.

I don't think the general public should have access to guns unless its in a controlled environment.

US gun death statistics speak volumes.

[Troubleatmill]

Buy hey.... in 2012... the US was only 29th...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1chqUZHuY6c...


Here is the top 30.
Honduras
El Salvador
Jamaica
Venezuela
Guatemala
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Trinidad and Tobago
Colombia
Belize
Puerto Rico
Brazil
South Africa
Dominican Republic
Panama
Bahamas
Ecuador
Guyana
Mexico
Philippines
Paraguay
Anguilla
Nicaragua
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Zimbabwe
Costa Rica
Argentina
Barbados
United States
West Bank & Gaza


For Comparison...
Sweden is 66th
Holland is 69th
Spain is 84th
UK is 100th
France is 103rd
Japan is 106th

[Troubleatmill]

5ohmustang said:

Most if not all of the anti gunners on here have never touched or been near a gun.

I have - several times, and different calibres, and types of gun.


It reinforced my view that no normal person needs one. ( As much as they WANT one - 99.99% of the population do not need one and should not have access to one )

[RobDickinson]

I've been around guns, I just dont see how they fit into a normal society (outside of hunting/farming/pest control).

Their only purpose is to kill people. Do I want to exist somewhere that I have so much fear, that the society is so primitive, that there is a need to carry something like a gun just to feel safe? Even when all the evidence says it actually makes you and society as a whole far less safe.

I've been in a situation (home invasion) where had I lived in the US I likely would have been in an exchange of gunfire. I would have had to have 'protection' so the criminals would be carrying also. With US gun laws it could easily have finished with multiple people dead. As it happens it was in the UK , no one was harmed.

[stuckmojo]

Jasandjules said:

Troubleatmill said:

Still a total arse gravy comparison.

If you genuinely can't see the difference.... there is no way I can explain it to you so you can understand.

Still in denial I see. I guess there is no way I can explain it to you that more people are killed by doctors in mistakes than by guns...........

the fact that you can't use logic doesn't excuse you from it.

How about the fact that these are two different things, and have to be dealt with separately?

Are you implying that if gun ownership were even less restricted in 'Murica, less people would die of medical error? If not, the comparison is bull st.

[Sway]

For fks sake. Yet another fairly light hearted and in some ways interesting thread spoiled by one man and his agenda.

There's plenty of 'gun control' threads, or the infinite ability to start a new one - trot on and do that.

As is abundantly clear from the first few pages, this has absolutely fk all to do with civilians and guns.

[AMG Merc]

All interesting stats and debate but can we get back to OP's question. Are they armed or not?

[Vaud]

AMG Merc said:

All interesting stats and debate but can we get back to OP's question. Are they armed or not?

It had been covered. Yes.

[AMG Merc]

Vaud said:

AMG Merc said:

All interesting stats and debate but can we get back to OP's question. Are they armed or not?

It had been covered. Yes.

Thanks. Based on what?

[Vaud]

AMG Merc said:

Thanks. Based on what?

Page 2? (at least for prior visits, noting to suggest that this protocol has changed)

At least in 2003: "The home secretary has insisted that although agents may carry arms, they would not be immune from prosecution if they used them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/3276669.stm

edit: and 2008:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-10...

[robm3]

We (Australia) got rid of most guns after the Port Arthur Massacre.

Not a single gun massacre since AND all our cops still 'pack heat'.

Americans quoting a constitution that few of them understand the context it was written in

[Mario149]

andy_s said:

5ohmustang said:

No it is very clear as to what it states.

Compare to countries with tighter controls? I lived in England for most of my life, that included working for Greater Manchester Police. To tell me the public are safer with your sickening controls is total bullst.

Troubleatmill, a random graph with no source, great story.

As for gunviolencarchive soros funded b.s. It is another bullst liberal anti gun think tank.

Toddler deaths how emotionally charged.

As for you wkblog reference yet another liberal blog with their own agenda.

I live in the real world, not the internet hype of gun violence.

Sorry havent yet met any gun toting toddlers or parents that leave there weapons unsecure.

Unfortunately for your argument every armed American I have met was responsible, honest and educated in firearms.

Most if not all of the anti gunners on here have never touched or been near a gun. The most contact you will ever have is the st on the bbc, leftist media outlets, hollywood and the rest of the crooks.

I used to be a brainwashed sheep like you that believed the same lies from your state run media. Then i met crime victims, robbery, rape, all kinds of horror. Had they been armed the offender would not have offended. Good people with guns stop bad people and no leftist graph purporting to be truth is going to convince me otherwise.

Nice try.

I will leave you back to your flatscreen tv that hopefully doesn't get nicked by a gang of chavs during a home imvasion, which you will then turn round and blame the police for not protecting you. It's people like you is why the UK is stuck in the past and accept having a victim mentality.

Back to the matrix.

Give that man a gun.

But on a serious note, as someone who is not in the military but has spent an awful lot of time over the years around everything from .22 rifles to GPMGs, the notion that the vast number of deaths in the US due to firearms is *not* because of the "right to bear arms" culture and ensuing legislation is laughable.

ETA: I've got no problem with their being a "pro-gun" group of people in the USA, I just wish they'd be honest and say that their right to bear arms trumps keeping an extra 25K people alive per year in their view.

Edited by Mario149 on Wednesday 4th May 11:57

[conkerman]

DuckAvenger said:

The Uzi did come from the case, and from what I can remember, that look on his face was him trying to unfold the Stock on the Uzi.

[iphonedyou]

jdw100 said:

I'm baring arms today; its 30 degrees so a t-shirt is in order.

Absolutely mental. 50hmustang can't even spell the wording of the amendment he's so keen on quoting.

[andy_s]

5ohmustang said:

That is a greatest hits list of some of the worst leftist mainstream media publications, owned by the hands of a view.

As for the vox reference, the results are a complete distortion of the truth and have been caught b.s.ing look up vox gun violence debunked.

I would suggest researching the owners of those publications and then researching those individuals. Something tells me you would rather drink the kool aid.

Your right i'll never change my mind after taking the red pill.

I take it 'vox gun violence debunked' is a fair and equitable site with no affiliation or inherent bias.

[Vaud]

5ohmustang said:

That is a greatest hits list of some of the worst leftist mainstream media publications, owned by the hands of a view.

The Telegraph? Leftist? Are you sure?

I welcome a debate but please ground it on objective analysis.

[pingu393]

Mario149 said:

...as someone who is not in the military but has spent an awful lot of time over the years around everything from .22 rifles to GPMGs

Interesting.

I know that Action Man may have had a jimpy, but how the hell have you spent an awful lot of time around them if you weren't in the military?

Marilyn Monroe - it's not an insult, but you could decipher it if you know .

[Mario149]

pingu393 said:

Mario149 said:

...as someone who is not in the military but has spent an awful lot of time over the years around everything from .22 rifles to GPMGs

Interesting.

I know that Action Man may have had a jimpy, but how the hell have you spent an awful lot of time around them if you weren't in the military?

Marilyn Monroe - it's not an insult, but you could decipher it if you know .

I'm not in the military now, but I used to be in OTC (TA for those at uni) and before that cadets, so from the ages 13 to about 24 - for both we went on exercise and to the ranges with the likes of GPs (in cadets) and after SA80s, LSWs and GPMGs. I also did a lot of indoor .22 and outdoor target rifle shooting (7.62mm rifles up to a range of about 1000yds) in my teens through cadets/my school. Worked out that one year when I was 17/18 and particularly busy with rifle teams I got through ~12,000 rounds of .22, 5.56mm and 7.62mm ammo (live, not blank) in single shot rifles And whenever we go abroad and it's convenient (and legal!) I like to do some pistol shooting.

[conkerman]

robm3 said:

We (Australia) got rid of most guns after the Port Arthur Massacre.

Not a single gun massacre since AND all our cops still 'pack heat'.

Americans quoting a constitution that few of them understand the context it was written in

Aren't gun laws even more stringent in Australia? Do you need a certificate for Air rifles?

[FourWheelDrift]

Vaud said:

5ohmustang said:

That is a greatest hits list of some of the worst leftist mainstream media publications, owned by the hands of a view.

The Telegraph? Leftist? Are you sure?

I welcome a debate but please ground it on objective analysis.

When he's so far to the right he's falling off the page everyone else has to be to his left.