EU Referendum - decided how to vote yet?
Poll: EU Referendum - decided how to vote yet?
Total Members Polled: 270
Discussion
I'm on the fence somewhat but verging towards in. The outers risk a similar fate to the Scottish referendum when it emerged that they hadn't actually decided what they were going to do about a currency. I'd like to see more concrete plans. Both sides are odious but the exiters are more so to me.
Also it's naive in the extreme to think we won't still have to deal with countless EU complications. Norway enacts most EU laws and free movement and they've never been 'in'.
Also it's naive in the extreme to think we won't still have to deal with countless EU complications. Norway enacts most EU laws and free movement and they've never been 'in'.
I'm voting 'out'. If we remain in we'll be buggered forever and there won't be another option to leave. There is no way on earth that 'we' can reform the EU from the inside and if we leave, then I don't care about the EU. It can reform itself if it wants to. If we leave now we can make our own policy. We will still trade with the rest of the world including the EU. The world won't come to an end. Things may be shaky but I don,t believe there will be any massive shocks or recessions. Everything will get sorted in due course and we'll be an independant nation, at long last.
bloomen said:
I'm on the fence somewhat but verging towards in. The outers risk a similar fate to the Scottish referendum when it emerged that they hadn't actually decided what they were going to do about a currency. I'd like to see more concrete plans. Both sides are odious but the exiters are more so to me.
Also it's naive in the extreme to think we won't still have to deal with countless EU complications. Norway enacts most EU laws and free movement and they've never been 'in'.
Have you actually got any reasons why you want to stay in? Just the instability? There are so many reasons to leave.Also it's naive in the extreme to think we won't still have to deal with countless EU complications. Norway enacts most EU laws and free movement and they've never been 'in'.
bloomen said:
I'm on the fence somewhat but verging towards in. The outers risk a similar fate to the Scottish referendum when it emerged that they hadn't actually decided what they were going to do about a currency. I'd like to see more concrete plans. Both sides are odious but the exiters are more so to me.
Also it's naive in the extreme to think we won't still have to deal with countless EU complications. Norway enacts most EU laws and free movement and they've never been 'in'.
The out plan is to negotiate, get out and trade. As The leader of the remain campaign ( Rose) said; there will be very little impact initially.Also it's naive in the extreme to think we won't still have to deal with countless EU complications. Norway enacts most EU laws and free movement and they've never been 'in'.
As for Norway, stop making things up. See
http://capx.co/how-norway-beats-the-eu/
I grew up thinking the historic merging of tribes with elders to counties or city states with Princes to countries with Kings to a unified Europe to a unified world was a natural and good thing. Well, we were all young once! I understand the EU a little better now.
Out, while we can. If we can.
Out, while we can. If we can.
While the ever-increasing control exerted by the EU over its member states sways me more toward "leave" than "stay", I cannot honestly say I have enough understanding of the economic ramifications to vote either way in good conscience.
Researching the subject merely leads to more BS, more opinions from parties with a particular agenda, very little that convincingly demonstrates the advantages and disadvantages of either option.
Current feeling is to abstain.
Researching the subject merely leads to more BS, more opinions from parties with a particular agenda, very little that convincingly demonstrates the advantages and disadvantages of either option.
Current feeling is to abstain.
crankedup said:
Our lad is going over to N.Z. At end of summer, five or six weeks just for a look and 'feel'. He is sick and tired of what the U.K. has/is become in terms of E.U., benifit handouts, taxation. His boss apparently has property in N.Z. so hopefully should be able to transfer his work into N.Z.
If he goes then we will consider moving also, we are both retired financially independent. Daughter and her family have also expressed an interest. Big changes looming or not, time will tell.
Interesting post. All of my brothers family moved to Australia last year and would never come back. My other brother and sister live in Canada and have done for many years. I have to admit if we remain, I will sell my business, house etc and bugger off to Canada as I can be sponsored and will have sufficient means then. I despair for the Country I love .If he goes then we will consider moving also, we are both retired financially independent. Daughter and her family have also expressed an interest. Big changes looming or not, time will tell.
Edited by crankedup on Friday 29th April 17:12
Yes I have
Out
If only because I am curious as to whether anything will change. I was born after the last time we got to vote and so I've known a UK in the EU all my life. I quite fancy seeing what it would be like if we weren't. I haven't listened to either side, they're both blowing bubbles, no one can really say what will or what won't happen. Its a leap of faith almost. Though I have to say, Obama wading in for the stay vote did rankle.
So I am decided, but I think the end result will be stay. I think there is a good chance of it just coming out that way, but also that there will be a good chance of that even if the answer is leave; we'll be offered a revised membership to keep us in (a bit like giving up your sky package but then keeping it because they knocked a tenner off for you) or, like Ireland, simply asked to vote again and come back with the right answer this time.
Regardless of result I fully expect to see no discernible change for a number of years.
ETA: Theres an element of "just watching the world burn" to my thinking on the vote. Like an experiment I just want to see what happens without any really want for a particular result. Misplaced or not, I feel relatively safe whatever happens. Me and my OH are in good stead financially, no dependents and both have good degrees, PhDs and professional experience. Might be a bit naive but if things did go sour, I feel like it wouldn't be hard for us to find somewhere in the world to get good jobs and make a life.
For others with kids and other big commitments it is of course much more complicated.
Out
If only because I am curious as to whether anything will change. I was born after the last time we got to vote and so I've known a UK in the EU all my life. I quite fancy seeing what it would be like if we weren't. I haven't listened to either side, they're both blowing bubbles, no one can really say what will or what won't happen. Its a leap of faith almost. Though I have to say, Obama wading in for the stay vote did rankle.
So I am decided, but I think the end result will be stay. I think there is a good chance of it just coming out that way, but also that there will be a good chance of that even if the answer is leave; we'll be offered a revised membership to keep us in (a bit like giving up your sky package but then keeping it because they knocked a tenner off for you) or, like Ireland, simply asked to vote again and come back with the right answer this time.
Regardless of result I fully expect to see no discernible change for a number of years.
ETA: Theres an element of "just watching the world burn" to my thinking on the vote. Like an experiment I just want to see what happens without any really want for a particular result. Misplaced or not, I feel relatively safe whatever happens. Me and my OH are in good stead financially, no dependents and both have good degrees, PhDs and professional experience. Might be a bit naive but if things did go sour, I feel like it wouldn't be hard for us to find somewhere in the world to get good jobs and make a life.
For others with kids and other big commitments it is of course much more complicated.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 29th April 22:58
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 29th April 23:12
I was 16 last time there was a vote, so didn't have one (sadly).
And that was the year I started doing an A-Level in British Government - doubt that exists as a subject no! Probably "EU Compulsion and British Subjugation and Funding" would be a better title!
It was sold to the electorate back then as a free trade deal, but we already had one and non-EU states like Norway and Switzerland still have one - no reason we couldn't do the same if we left.
I remember wondering at the time why we should want to join an organisation that for years didn't want us, but then we joined and I found out - so we could be a significant source of finance for it's idealism that we didn't necessarily share!
Cameron's concessions are lamentable - we only have one opportunity as I see it, so let's escape while we can.
There is no prospect of change from within - the EU can't even get it's finances approved FFS! I have less faith in the EU than I had in FIFA!
And that was the year I started doing an A-Level in British Government - doubt that exists as a subject no! Probably "EU Compulsion and British Subjugation and Funding" would be a better title!
It was sold to the electorate back then as a free trade deal, but we already had one and non-EU states like Norway and Switzerland still have one - no reason we couldn't do the same if we left.
I remember wondering at the time why we should want to join an organisation that for years didn't want us, but then we joined and I found out - so we could be a significant source of finance for it's idealism that we didn't necessarily share!
Cameron's concessions are lamentable - we only have one opportunity as I see it, so let's escape while we can.
There is no prospect of change from within - the EU can't even get it's finances approved FFS! I have less faith in the EU than I had in FIFA!
techiedave said:
WhenI go Ibiza I need take selfies and piccies of me pickups 2 send bak to me m8s like and todays day roaming charges going get cheaper. If we go out Eu they wont so I'm stayin in I luv usin me fone for insta facebook and snapchat stuff
Lol.Sadly there will be people who really think like this.
Personally I'm edging towards an In vote at the moment, on the basis of 'better the devil you know', but am incredibly uncomfortable that I'm making such an important decision on foundations of sand. I watched from afar the lies, manipulation and wishful thinking that dominated the Scottish referendum debate and thought that we would get something much better, much more adult, with this referendum and have been bitterly disappointed by the proponents on both sides of the argument. The In campaign have not played up the positives of staying in, preferring to deluge us with threats of poverty if we leave, the Outers have adopted a Salmonesque 'streets paved with gold' approach if we leave, without presenting a single, substantiated strategy as to how this will be achieved. It has been, and no doubt will continue to be, a pathetic bickering contest between individuals who are paid to present us, their employers, with relevant facts in order that we can make an informed decision on our future. All I can say is shame on all of those involved, none of whom have done the job they are paid to do and whose negligence, whichever way the vote goes, runs the risk of missing one of the greatest opportunities to make a difference that this generation will have.
crankedup said:
RobDickinson said:
crankedup said:
I'm voting out. It will be the only opportunity to get out, I figure that living in a Country dictated to by unelected faceless beauracy is not for me. I'm to old to be further overly affected if we stay in and my considerations for my son daughter grandson is that if they want a better life they will nip over to New Zealand.
Which is what I done 11 years ago.Apparently I can still register and vote (15 years is the cut-off). I really think the UK needs to leave Europe, its a basket case politically, they can have solid trade treaties like before , business wont be hurt.
I'll refrain from voting though as it isnt now my problem...
If he goes then we will consider moving also, we are both retired financially independent. Daughter and her family have also expressed an interest. Big changes looming or not, time will tell.
Edited by crankedup on Friday 29th April 17:12
not that NZ dosent have problems the asians have bought up masses of real estate so house prices are astronomical in
Auckland and other citys, agriculture is suffering from low world market prices ...
I just hope we can get an out vote ether way I'm ok ish but what will happen with jobs for our young that want to stay in the UK and get on , buy a house etc when we have so much cheap labour from eastern Europe who are just carpet bagging ????
crankedup said:
This is an aspect which is odd, the Government pushing hard for County level devolution and yet wants to remain in the E.U. Obviously I am missing something.
Yes unlimited cheap labour for big business to make the rich very rich and keep us proles down where we belong !!! Jonny_ said:
While the ever-increasing control exerted by the EU over its member states sways me more toward "leave" than "stay", I cannot honestly say I have enough understanding of the economic ramifications to vote either way in good conscience.
Researching the subject merely leads to more BS, more opinions from parties with a particular agenda, very little that convincingly demonstrates the advantages and disadvantages of either option.
Current feeling is to abstain.
The referendum is about national independence, not economics. That will take care of itself because guess what? Business happens despite idiot politicians and bureaucrat tossers, not because of them. Researching the subject merely leads to more BS, more opinions from parties with a particular agenda, very little that convincingly demonstrates the advantages and disadvantages of either option.
Current feeling is to abstain.
crankedup said:
This is an aspect which is odd, the Government pushing hard for County level devolution and yet wants to remain in the E.U. Obviously I am missing something.
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