Red Ken suspended

[audidoody]

He should have done 20 or 30 years


It is not criticism of the Israeli Government that is anti-semitic. Plenty of Israelis and diaspora Jews are also against the West Bank settlement policies etc. IDF soldiers have been jailed for resisting orders that subjugate Palestinians at the border crossings.

The implied anti-semitism comes from the critics of Israel who refuse to equally condemn various tyrannies and dictatorships with the venom they reserve for Israel (i.e. China. Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and various other despotic regimes.

Edited by audidoody on Friday 7th April 14:04

[simonrockman]

Could you be anti-Vatican without being anti-Catholic?

[jonby]

simonrockman said:

Could you be anti-Vatican without being anti-Catholic?

Not sure, possibly, but as I understand it (it's not a subject I know much about), the Pope is both the head of the Vatican and the head of the Catholic church, which I'm guessing most people who identify as being Catholic affiliate themselves to (a catholic church that is)

Whereas jews in this country may well affiliate themselves to a synagogue in this country, but the structure is very different as they are self funded by their own members - there is no head rabbi or head synagogue or indeed any body at all in Israel that any synagogues in the diaspora are beholdant to or funded by.

Even if there was, that hypothetical (to be clear, non-existant) synagogue wouldn't run Israel in the way the Pope runs the Vatican, as Israel is a country with a democratically elected government in a parliament (Knesset) that currently has 17 non-Jewish members from a variety of religions including Muslims

Israel's own Jewish population (let alone the wider population) have incredibly vigorous, open, no holds barred debates about politics, which has always resulted in a coalition government (it's almost impossible for a single party to win a majority of seats and historically, it's never happened).

So not exactly very similar to the Vatican and more importantly, pretty removed from Jews in the diaspora

[Halb]

tommunster10 said:

Yes Ken was coming from a perspective that some academic Jews believe also. I don't agree with it but it is out there and Ken is trying to justify it. I'd rather that than a very obvious back track.
The idea that Ken is just rambling like a mad man is what bothered me. I mean he is, but he didn't just make it up in his head the idea has been around for decades.

Quite.

[BlackLabel]

He was on Sky News just now talking about Hitler again. Ffs Ken stop digging.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/99233912...

[anonymous-user]

Tulip Siddiq has just tweeted "Please please get this irrelevant man off my TV screen" in response to Livingstons appearance
The replies are quite funny


https://twitter.com/TulipSiddiq/status/99233971729...

[Camoradi]

BlackLabel said:

He was on Sky News just now talking about Hitler again. Ffs Ken stop digging.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/99233912...

I could be mistaken, but did he just use the words "jewish" "hitler" and "collaborated" in the same sentence

He demonstrates the same traits as Corbyn in that he cannot realise that irrespective of how accurate his statements may be, in today's soundbite politics they may still be unspeakable.

[Halb]

Camoradi said:

I could be mistaken, but did he just use the words "jewish" "hitler" and "collaborated" in the same sentence

He demonstrates the same traits as Corbyn in that he cannot realise that irrespective of how accurate his statements may be, in today's soundbite politics they may still be unspeakable.

he gets baited very easily, so called journos know how to get their zingers.

[hidetheelephants]

He must have some kind of undiagnosed dementia, or a form of coprolalia that has a vocab based solely upon the thousand year reich.

[anonymous-user]

Shami wants him gone


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lab...

Warning contains live video of the pint sized politico talking about red ken

[irocfan]

techiedave said:

Shami wants him gone


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lab...

Warning contains live video of the pint-sized politico talking about red ken

but isn't she the pint-sized tt who said that there was nothing wrong WRT the labour party and anti-semitism?

[anonymous-user]

irocfan said:

but isn't she the pint-sized tt who said that there was nothing wrong WRT the labour party and anti-semitism?

Everyone can make a mistake

[Europa1]

irocfan said:

techiedave said:

Shami wants him gone


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lab...

Warning contains live video of the pint-sized politico talking about red ken

but isn't she the pint-sized tt who said that there was nothing wrong WRT the labour party and anti-semitism?

Much as I'm not a fan of hers, she didn't quite say that, and did make various recommendations which the Labour Party in large part did nothing to implement.

[irocfan]

Europa1 said:

Much as I'm not a fan of hers, she didn't quite say that, and did make various recommendations which the Labour Party in large part did nothing to implement.

fair play - I'm happy to stand corrected

[simonrockman]

The Labour party needs to understand that ditching Ken and Jackie Walker is just the start of addressing antisemitism. It's not a matter of dumping them and saying "job done".

[BlackLabel]

“Ken Livingstone has announced that he is resigning from the Labour party, saying the issues around his suspension for alleged antisemitism had become a “distraction”.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/21/k...

[Pobolycwm]

An honourable decision from an honourable man, and that’s from a lifelong Conservative voter.

Mind you, I have just read his memoirs by Jonathon Aitken, an unlikely “ marriage made in heaven “

[Ian Geary]

Pobolycwm said:

An honourable decision from an honourable man, and that’s from a lifelong Conservative voter.

Mind you, I have just read his memoirs by Jonathon Aitken, an unlikely “ marriage made in heaven “

Meh

I would have said he jumped before he was pushed, but then: Labour don't seem to be very good at pushing unless it's against those accused of Blairite-ism or Progress-ism.

Note:KL goes maintaining his innocence. Presumably the labour investigation into his conduct just stops and goes away?

How very convenient. I wonder how many times labour supporters have riled against this get out for the police, politicians, civil service, and yet here is one of their own doing exactly the same thing.

As mentioned earlier, getting rid of KL was the first of many steps to try and address their party's issues, and yet they've already tripped over imo

Ian

[Pobolycwm]

Pobolycwm said:

An honourable decision from an honourable man, and that’s from a lifelong Conservative voter.

Mind you, I have just read his memoirs by Jonathon Aitken, an unlikely “ marriage made in heaven “

Sorry, he wrote his memoirs “ Did I say that ? “ himself, confused it with Jonatnon’s Aitken’s memoirs about Margaret Thatcher “ Power and Personality “ , read them both at the same time, an easy mistake to make, found his memoirs more impressive.

[williamp]

Why now?? If hed done it a few weeks back commie corbyn wouod have made him a peer. Now hes got nothing at all. Unemployed and on the scrapheap at 72. #preyforhitl...er...ken