Tory battlebus- election fraud or national campaigning?

Tory battlebus- election fraud or national campaigning?

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greygoose

8,269 posts

196 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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Esseesse said:
Jimboka said:
They won by a landslide, so irrelevant..
It doesn't matter what the result was.
Indeed, if rules were broken it is wrong no matter what the result was.

paulrockliffe

15,721 posts

228 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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Esseesse said:
Jimboka said:
They won by a landslide, so irrelevant..
It doesn't matter what the result was.
Not only that, but there were issues around spending brought up at the time in one particular constituency where the Conservatives threw everything at stopping a high profile person entering Parliament.

From what I remember the story was that Conservatives must have breached the spending limit just on accommodation for the number of people that were dropped into the area.

I'd think most people would think that that does matter.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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The silence from Labour is deafening. I bet they've done exactly the same.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

99 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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Well we shall see what develops....no information on the actual number of seats affected??

edh

3,498 posts

270 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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This has the potential to be very significant. Along with Channel 4, AF Neil has got his teeth into this one as well now.
Electoral law is clear & breaches can be punished by disqualification from office, which would mean by-elections.

The alleged fraud was focused on marginal seats in the GE. 20-30 possibly, plus a number of by-elections. With a slim parliamentary majority, this could be big trouble for the Tories.

Would be delightful to see Anna Soubry turfed out for example.

Tories are obstructing electoral commission & failing to disclose information (I'm guessing there's a fair degree of panic at CCHQ).

http://www.channel4.com/news/high-court-challenge-...

Countdown

39,974 posts

197 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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BlackLabel said:
The silence from Labour is deafening. I bet they've done exactly the same.
If they had, I'm pretty sure the Tories would have been shouting about it from the rooftops.

Anyway it was a lot smaller.....


Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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BlackLabel said:
The silence from Labour is deafening. I bet they've done exactly the same.
Possibly but either way they're both scared of the same thing, not so much each other.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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BlackLabel said:
The silence from Labour is deafening. I bet they've done exactly the same.
The way Alan Johnson and Michael Portillo tried to pretend they didn't know anything about it on This Week leads me to believe you are correct.



edh

3,498 posts

270 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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desolate said:
BlackLabel said:
The silence from Labour is deafening. I bet they've done exactly the same.
The way Alan Johnson and Michael Portillo tried to pretend they didn't know anything about it on This Week leads me to believe you are correct.
johnson & Portillo's reactions were odd certainly

The Tories have very limited numbers in local constituencies compared to Labour, which is why they have to pay for postage or pay rather than rely on volunteers, for lots of their leafletting. Tories also have more money than Labour.

The initial issues appear to have arisen in fighting UKIP.

XCP

16,939 posts

229 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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So the thinking is that a lot of Conservative 'activists' flooding an area is going to make more people vote for them. Seriously??

glazbagun

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14,282 posts

198 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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XCP said:
So the thinking is that a lot of Conservative 'activists' flooding an area is going to make more people vote for them. Seriously??
If they didn't, why would they bother with them? Why would they need local spending limits at all?

XCP

16,939 posts

229 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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glazbagun said:
If they didn't, why would they bother with them? Why would they need local spending limits at all?
Beats me. If anything, being pestered by 'activists' from any party would pretty much ensure I didn't vote for them.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

136 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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XCP said:
Beats me. If anything, being pestered by 'activists' from any party would pretty much ensure I didn't vote for them.
Oh well then, best let 'em off of the hook.

XCP

16,939 posts

229 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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Axionknight said:
Oh well then, best let 'em off of the hook.
Or prosecute if there is evidence.

glazbagun

Original Poster:

14,282 posts

198 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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XCP said:
Beats me. If anything, being pestered by 'activists' from any party would pretty much ensure I didn't vote for them.
I think the door-knocking thing is more to ensure that X-Party supporters actually get out and vote rather than converting Conservatives into Socialists and vice versa.

XCP

16,939 posts

229 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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glazbagun said:
I think the door-knocking thing is more to ensure that X-Party supporters actually get out and vote rather than converting Conservatives into Socialists and vice versa.
Ah well that's fair enough I suppose.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Saturday 14th May 2016
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glazbagun said:
I think the door-knocking thing is more to ensure that X-Party supporters actually get out and vote rather than converting Conservatives into Socialists and vice versa.
This IMO

EddieSteadyGo

11,995 posts

204 months

Saturday 14th May 2016
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edh said:
desolate said:
BlackLabel said:
The silence from Labour is deafening. I bet they've done exactly the same.
The way Alan Johnson and Michael Portillo tried to pretend they didn't know anything about it on This Week leads me to believe you are correct.
johnson & Portillo's reactions were odd certainly

The Tories have very limited numbers in local constituencies compared to Labour, which is why they have to pay for postage or pay rather than rely on volunteers, for lots of their leafletting. Tories also have more money than Labour.

The initial issues appear to have arisen in fighting UKIP.
Yes, I thought that was rather odd when I was watching the program too.

It was covered again yesterday on the Daily Politics but I can't help feeling the Police are investigating because they feel like they need to be seen to be doing something. And quite why it needs 9 separate police force investigations I don't know.

The end result I think will be no further action from the Police. But there will be clarifications from the Electoral Commission about how expenses of this nature can be allocated in the future.


BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Thursday 2nd June 2016
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Guardian said:
A judge has raised the prospect that some of the Conservatives’ general election victories could be voided as he granted more time for Kent police to investigate allegations of electoral fraud by the party.

District Judge Barron outlined in court the reasons for extending the time period for Kent police to examine the accusations, after a Channel 4 investigation raised questions about Tory election spending in South Thanet – where the party was fighting Ukip leader Nigel Farage.
Guardian said:
The Conservatives, whose MP Craig Mackinlay won the hotly contested seat, took the unprecedented step of trying to oppose the court extension requested by the police.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/01/judge-grants-extension-to-police-investigation-into-tory-election