Tory battlebus- election fraud or national campaigning?
Discussion
williamp said:
Guido fawkes have found evidence of questionnable behavoiour with labour, libdem (google them if you dont remember), and ukip as well. Its no excuse, but it seems they were all at it.
It's like the expenses scandal isn't it - they're all in it together. A judge just needs to void a few elections (preferably those in marginal seats) and call for a by-election and then I'm sure they'll take the rules seriously next time.
Will we see a by-election in South Thanet?
"Election Expenses: New emails show more members of PM’s top team involved
Two more senior Downing Street aides have been drawn into a police investigation into election expenses, Channel 4 News can reveal."
https://www.channel4.com/news/election-expenses-ne...
"Election Expenses: New emails show more members of PM’s top team involved
Two more senior Downing Street aides have been drawn into a police investigation into election expenses, Channel 4 News can reveal."
https://www.channel4.com/news/election-expenses-ne...
Local leaflets - local costs
Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
T6 vanman said:
Local leaflets - local costs
Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
Nothing to see here....move along please.Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
I predict nothing will be done. There will be a statement to the efeect that prosecution is "not in the public interest".
After the polls closed in the Scottish indyref Ruth Davidson, the tory leader in Scotland, went on TV and declared they had been cheered by their sampling of postal votes. Later on, another senior tory also said the same thing.
That would be fine except that postal votes MUST NOT be sampled in advance because it's illegal. There was a police investigation and no action was taken despite these two admitting to the illegal action on national TV.
After the polls closed in the Scottish indyref Ruth Davidson, the tory leader in Scotland, went on TV and declared they had been cheered by their sampling of postal votes. Later on, another senior tory also said the same thing.
That would be fine except that postal votes MUST NOT be sampled in advance because it's illegal. There was a police investigation and no action was taken despite these two admitting to the illegal action on national TV.
GoneAnon said:
I predict nothing will be done. There will be a statement to the efeect that prosecution is "not in the public interest".
And I'dd agree. Much as I dislike politicians (or all persuasions) the Police rally do have better things to do with their time. The fact that they all do it might mean they should change the law (they can, afterall). I dont think its that important. Postal vote fraud is, but budget spend??T6 vanman said:
Local leaflets - local costs
Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
except the rumour is that peeps on the big bus did local work mostly, not national party stuff = local cost.Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
Edited by cirian75 on Wednesday 15th March 21:55
cirian75 said:
T6 vanman said:
Local leaflets - local costs
Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
except the rumour is that peeps on the big bus did local work mostly, not national party stuff = local cost.Local nominee hiring hall - local costs
Big bus doing a tour of the UK - National party costs
Party leader doing a TV election broadcast in your street/factory - National party costs
Big news about nothing.....Honestly can't see where CPS are getting all 'book them Danno' from
Edited by cirian75 on Wednesday 15th March 21:55
Meet & greet the local candidate . Post a few leaflets with the local press, Press the palms at the local shopping centre ... Rinse & repeat the next day, Co-ordinated press publicity activity = National cost (even if it visited your local town )
T6 vanman said:
Local to Thanuk one day, Reading the next, Swindon, Bristol, Exeter, Birmingham
Meet & greet the local candidate . Post a few leaflets with the local press, Press the palms at the local shopping centre ... Rinse & repeat the next day, Co-ordinated press publicity activity = National cost (even if it visited your local town )
What are the local spending limits? IIRC Tories spent £15k just on rooms at the Royal Harbour Hotel in Ramsgate.Meet & greet the local candidate . Post a few leaflets with the local press, Press the palms at the local shopping centre ... Rinse & repeat the next day, Co-ordinated press publicity activity = National cost (even if it visited your local town )
alfie2244 said:
T6 vanman said:
Local to Thanuk one day, Reading the next, Swindon, Bristol, Exeter, Birmingham
Meet & greet the local candidate . Post a few leaflets with the local press, Press the palms at the local shopping centre ... Rinse & repeat the next day, Co-ordinated press publicity activity = National cost (even if it visited your local town )
What are the local spending limits? IIRC Tories spent £15k just on rooms at the Royal Harbour Hotel in Ramsgate.Meet & greet the local candidate . Post a few leaflets with the local press, Press the palms at the local shopping centre ... Rinse & repeat the next day, Co-ordinated press publicity activity = National cost (even if it visited your local town )
REALIST123 said:
Interesting that 12 Police Forces have the resources to carry out this type of investigation whilst we read every day of them taking no interest in clear criminal acts that involve the ordinary man in the street.
Couldn't be politically motivated could it?
If there's genuine election fraud happening then I have no issue with it. But this just seems trivial and not even close to fraud. Couldn't be politically motivated could it?
Is there even any link between the amount a party spends on hotel rooms/leaflets/etc and the amount of votes they get?
How much did the LibDems spend on the Richmond by-election? Are by-elections subject to the same limits?
The challenge with trying to apply limits like this is that it's way too easy to game it. And there isn't a political party out there right now that doesn't game the system.
Also, why is money the only capped factor? E.g. Why aren't there limits to the number of stooges a party can send to a constituency? (I understand why, but don't therefore see why money is any different).
REALIST123 said:
Interesting that 12 Police Forces have the resources to carry out this type of investigation whilst we read every day of them taking no interest in clear criminal acts that involve the ordinary man in the street.
So you think election fraud has nothing to do with the ordinary man in the street? This would, on the face of it, appear to be deliberate and systematic fraud. Still, it's not as if the ones who get voted in by fraud run the country.
Derek Smith said:
So you think election fraud has nothing to do with the ordinary man in the street? This would, on the face of it, appear to be deliberate and systematic fraud.
Still, it's not as if the ones who get voted in by fraud run the country.
Is it really fraud though Derek? If people have been paid to vote a particular way, fair enough. Still, it's not as if the ones who get voted in by fraud run the country.
But I don't think that's being suggested is it? Just that the Tories spunked more money on campaigning. I'm really not sure how much that helped them, if at all. And as I note, why is money the only resource deemed important?
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