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Are you now saying that no Muslim in Blackburn would listen to what the BMA says ?
Nobody is saying that every Muslim in Blackburn would, but some will. If the post came from a Questions and Answers session - surely somebody asked the question ? There are loads of these types of forum out there just as there are car forums - Granted they could be run by idiots from their own bedroom but people do ask, and some will take on board the answers people give.
People are trying to make sense of things written in the Koran in the modern world. It is just an interpretation of what was written. Different people will apply it differently some will think 48 miles it is madness, some will think it is a correct modern interpretation of what was intended.
Rod Little made reference to it in the Times at the weekend, also linking it to something said by the Croydon Association - they were not so concerned about the distance providing permission was given.
Nobody is saying that every Muslim in Blackburn would, but some will. If the post came from a Questions and Answers session - surely somebody asked the question ? There are loads of these types of forum out there just as there are car forums - Granted they could be run by idiots from their own bedroom but people do ask, and some will take on board the answers people give.
People are trying to make sense of things written in the Koran in the modern world. It is just an interpretation of what was written. Different people will apply it differently some will think 48 miles it is madness, some will think it is a correct modern interpretation of what was intended.
Rod Little made reference to it in the Times at the weekend, also linking it to something said by the Croydon Association - they were not so concerned about the distance providing permission was given.
a proper beating?del mar said:
Are you now saying that no Muslim in Blackburn would listen to what the BMA says ?
Nobody is saying that every Muslim in Blackburn would, but some will. If the post came from a Questions and Answers session - surely somebody asked the question ? There are loads of these types of forum out there just as there are car forums - Granted they could be run by idiots from their own bedroom but people do ask, and some will take on board the answers people give.
People are trying to make sense of things written in the Koran in the modern world. It is just an interpretation of what was written. Different people will apply it differently some will think 48 miles it is madness, some will think it is a correct modern interpretation of what was intended.
Rod Little made reference to it in the Times at the weekend, also linking it to something said by the Croydon Association - they were not so concerned about the distance providing permission was given.
I find this slightly frustrating but if you read all my posts, you will see that my responses are just this.Nobody is saying that every Muslim in Blackburn would, but some will. If the post came from a Questions and Answers session - surely somebody asked the question ? There are loads of these types of forum out there just as there are car forums - Granted they could be run by idiots from their own bedroom but people do ask, and some will take on board the answers people give.
People are trying to make sense of things written in the Koran in the modern world. It is just an interpretation of what was written. Different people will apply it differently some will think 48 miles it is madness, some will think it is a correct modern interpretation of what was intended.
Rod Little made reference to it in the Times at the weekend, also linking it to something said by the Croydon Association - they were not so concerned about the distance providing permission was given.
Categorically: I know of no (relgious or non-religious) muslims who do this distance thing. Sure someone asked but from my experience of muslim wives, you would never get them to allow this to happen.
I do know of some asian families (non-muslim and muslim) who do have male people who want to accompany their sisters/daughters/wives everywhere - irrespective of distance. This is not religious - this is cultural.
No-one in any muslim country has this in their laws - nor do they police it.
Just because something is in the Qur'an does not mean by itself that every muslim or even any muslim follows it.
Also, neither the BMA nor the Muslim Council of Britain can tell a muslim what or what not to do: all they can do is translate what is in the Qur'an - this is NOT the same as telling people what you do (halal - permissable) or what is haram (non-permissable) under Islam.
You appear to be under the impression that just because it's in the Qur'an some people are going to blindly follow it.
They don't.
That's just what lazy journalists assume because of the fear of terrorism.
Rammy76 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Wrong forum. "News, Islamophobia and Bigotry" is that way ->
It's not him that's made the ridiculous rule up though is it?"Categorically: I know of no (relgious or non-religious) muslims who do this distance thing. Sure someone asked but from my experience of muslim wives, you would never get them to allow this to happen"
I don't doubt that all your experiences are true - but I am not saying they aren't. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen ? You cant possibly know every muslim in Blackburn
You probably don't know many women who where the full veil and campaign on the streets of London with banners saying "Sharia Law for the UK" - but it happens. - Of course this will this is a very very small amount of people - I don't know any of these women either.
But any group that gives out advice / guidance will be listened to by somebody - not you and not anybody you know, but somebody will, and they will interpret that advice as they see fit.
You cant say nobody will follow their guidance/advice.
I don't doubt that all your experiences are true - but I am not saying they aren't. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen ? You cant possibly know every muslim in Blackburn
You probably don't know many women who where the full veil and campaign on the streets of London with banners saying "Sharia Law for the UK" - but it happens. - Of course this will this is a very very small amount of people - I don't know any of these women either.
But any group that gives out advice / guidance will be listened to by somebody - not you and not anybody you know, but somebody will, and they will interpret that advice as they see fit.
You cant say nobody will follow their guidance/advice.
You raise some interesting points. In order:
For example the question could have been: "I want to ensure I do my Islamic duty in protecting my wife when she goes out alone as I am afraid for her safety. From an Islamic perspective, what does the Qur'an say is my duty in this regard?" The answer would then be "According to the Qur'an a husband has the obligation to accompany his wife if she travels more than three days - this could be the equivalent of 47.9 miles or the distance one would typically be expected to walk in three days".
Not sure the above Q&A is particularly controversial. If one reads the DM article:
1) we have no idea that it's not a view espoused by the BMA but rather a response to the question; and
2) we don't know the context of the question.
The context is key. If the question was as phrased above, frankly what's the problem? A guy was worried about his wife and asked what the Qur'an says he should do. Fair enough.
(Please note I am not saying there is not an issue with a small minority of people in the UK who clearly are misogynistic and are telling women where they can go on holiday etc. My point is that this is a cultural phenomenon - not religious. For example, some (thankfully few) people (whether Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist or whatever) do this because of what they saw their parents doing, not because they read it on some website/read it in a religious text and then changed their behaviour the next day.)
del mar said:
You probably don't know many women who where the full veil ....
- I know quite a few women who wear the full veil. All the women I know who wear the veil wear it as an affirmation of their faith as they don't want other men to look at them. That's their choice. I don't happen to agree with it but personally I don't think it's right telling people what to wear. To my mind, if I were to tell a woman what she can and can't wear, it makes me no better than the misogynistic men who tell women where they can and cannot go on holiday and whether they need to be accompanied or not.del mar said:
You probably don't know many women who where the full veil and campaign on the streets of London with banners saying "Sharia Law for the UK" - but it happens. - Of course this will this is a very very small amount of people - I don't know any of these women either.
- I agree. In a similar vein I see other people waving signs saying "Immigrants need to be wiped out clean" and "Immigrants. You are terrorists and b******s. When I see this I think it's quite sad because it would be good to talk about the fear that is generated to get these few people to make and wave these signs around - whether asking for immigrants to be cleansed or to get anyone in the UK who doesn't think UK law protects them and thinks they need to impose another law.del mar said:
But any group that gives out advice / guidance will be listened to by somebody - not you and not anybody you know, but somebody will, and they will interpret that advice as they see fit.
This comes back to a point I made much earlier in this thread. This was in the Q&A part of the thread - it was not advice. No-where does it say the BMA think this is what muslims should do nor do they recommend it.For example the question could have been: "I want to ensure I do my Islamic duty in protecting my wife when she goes out alone as I am afraid for her safety. From an Islamic perspective, what does the Qur'an say is my duty in this regard?" The answer would then be "According to the Qur'an a husband has the obligation to accompany his wife if she travels more than three days - this could be the equivalent of 47.9 miles or the distance one would typically be expected to walk in three days".
Not sure the above Q&A is particularly controversial. If one reads the DM article:
1) we have no idea that it's not a view espoused by the BMA but rather a response to the question; and
2) we don't know the context of the question.
The context is key. If the question was as phrased above, frankly what's the problem? A guy was worried about his wife and asked what the Qur'an says he should do. Fair enough.
(Please note I am not saying there is not an issue with a small minority of people in the UK who clearly are misogynistic and are telling women where they can go on holiday etc. My point is that this is a cultural phenomenon - not religious. For example, some (thankfully few) people (whether Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist or whatever) do this because of what they saw their parents doing, not because they read it on some website/read it in a religious text and then changed their behaviour the next day.)
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