Can we talk about Austria a little?
Discussion
BlackLabel said:
A lot of those measures seem a tad ott and unworkable. If they do actually implement them I think we’ll be seeing quite a few cases from Austria at the European Court of Human Rights.
All it will take is the ECHR to win a few of them. And you'll see a rise in calls for AustExit from the EU! And if they can vote in this bunch, I'm relatively sure I can predict the outcome! Definitely wont be 52/48 
amusingduck said:
Can you expand on which you find ott/unworkable?
I'd be uncomfortable with the state confiscating cash from genuine asylum seekers - sure if someone has a significant amount of cash then make adjustments to their benefits but anything more than that would be very harsh. I also think it's unworkable because it would probably be in breach of international rules on the treatment of refugees. Also banning kids from starting school if they can't speak German makes sense on one level as such kids may drag the rest of the class down due to the teacher needing to pay more attention to the non German speaker however the state should, imo, provide support to asylum seekers and their kids in order for them to learn the local language(s). That said, I think their proposals to tackle religious extremism and political Islam are very interesting - especially tackling foreign funding of mosques and Islamic schools. The Germans could learn a thing or two from this.
Austria are closing down some mosques which have links to the Turkish government.
Austria has said it will close down seven mosques and expel imams who it says are funded by foreign countries. Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said the move was a crackdown on political Islam. Some mosques are suspected of having links to Turkish nationalists. In April images emerged showing children in Turkish army uniforms re-enacting World War One's Battle of Gallipoli.
The Turkish government aren’t happy. Presidential spokesman........
Austria has said it will close down seven mosques and expel imams who it says are funded by foreign countries. Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said the move was a crackdown on political Islam. Some mosques are suspected of having links to Turkish nationalists. In April images emerged showing children in Turkish army uniforms re-enacting World War One's Battle of Gallipoli.
The Turkish government aren’t happy. Presidential spokesman........
te! The Turks calling out the Austrians for petty racism is next level hypocrisy!Well that escalated quickly.
“Erdogan warns Austria imam crackdown will lead to holy war
Turkish president says Vienna's decision to shut down mosques, deport religious leaders funded by Turkey necessitates response”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-warns-austri...
“Erdogan warns Austria imam crackdown will lead to holy war
Turkish president says Vienna's decision to shut down mosques, deport religious leaders funded by Turkey necessitates response”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-warns-austri...
TheGuru said:
Can’t see an issue with this, Turkey is at best hypocritical
Western countries should have been this strict from the start, Singapore has a very similar policy in that it tolerates zero extremism from any religion
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/imam-who-made-offensive-remarks-be-repatriated-stern-warnings-two-others-mhaWestern countries should have been this strict from the start, Singapore has a very similar policy in that it tolerates zero extremism from any religion
First offense in Singapore - fined and deported.
BlackLabel said:
Well that escalated quickly.
“Erdogan warns Austria imam crackdown will lead to holy war
Turkish president says Vienna's decision to shut down mosques, deport religious leaders funded by Turkey necessitates response”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-warns-austri...
Seems like Austria did exactly the right thing. “Erdogan warns Austria imam crackdown will lead to holy war
Turkish president says Vienna's decision to shut down mosques, deport religious leaders funded by Turkey necessitates response”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-warns-austri...
alfaman said:
TheGuru said:
Can’t see an issue with this, Turkey is at best hypocritical
Western countries should have been this strict from the start, Singapore has a very similar policy in that it tolerates zero extremism from any religion
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/imam-who-made-offensive-remarks-be-repatriated-stern-warnings-two-others-mhaWestern countries should have been this strict from the start, Singapore has a very similar policy in that it tolerates zero extremism from any religion
First offense in Singapore - fined and deported.
Didn’t realise that blasphemy was still a thing in Austria.
This lady was convicted of ‘disparaging religious doctrines’.
“The ECHR ruled against an Austrian woman who claimed calling the Prophet Muhammad a pedophile was protected by free speech. The applicant claimed she was contributing to public debate.
An Austrian woman's conviction for calling the Prophet Muhammad a pedophile did not violate her freedom of speech, the European Court of Human Rights ruled Thursday.”
https://m.dw.com/en/calling-prophet-muhammad-a-ped...
This lady was convicted of ‘disparaging religious doctrines’.
“The ECHR ruled against an Austrian woman who claimed calling the Prophet Muhammad a pedophile was protected by free speech. The applicant claimed she was contributing to public debate.
An Austrian woman's conviction for calling the Prophet Muhammad a pedophile did not violate her freedom of speech, the European Court of Human Rights ruled Thursday.”
https://m.dw.com/en/calling-prophet-muhammad-a-ped...
Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 26th October 07:15
del mar said:
Are we reaching the point where criticism of Islam is illegal ?
Well in Austria it applies to any religion.
“Anyone who publicly disparages a person or thing that is the object of worship of a domestic church or religious society, or a doctrine, [or other] behavior is likely to attract legitimate offense…”
But sure latterly most of the cases have been islam related ones.
This one is a cracker.
“On Dec. 11, 2010, 63-year-old Helmut G. was convicted for offending his Muslim neighbor by yodeling while lawn mowing. The neighbor claimed Helmet was trying to mock and imitate the Muezzin, the Muslim call to prayer.”
https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/europe/au...
BlackLabel said:
This one is a cracker.
“On Dec. 11, 2010, 63-year-old Helmut G. was convicted for offending his Muslim neighbor by yodeling while lawn mowing. The neighbor claimed Helmet was trying to mock and imitate the Muezzin, the Muslim call to prayer.”
https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/europe/au...
Well that government didn’t last long.
“Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has asked for a snap election after his Vice-Chancellor, Heinz-Christian Strache, resigned over a corruption scandal.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48320983
“Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has asked for a snap election after his Vice-Chancellor, Heinz-Christian Strache, resigned over a corruption scandal.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48320983
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