Implications of Brexit!
Discussion
I hate the EU Commission. An undemocratic bunch of political oligarchs. Arrogant, dangerous, not elected, powerful. This alone was a good reason to Brexit.
But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bulls
t Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the malestrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real.
New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, fking IDIOTS.
Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is fking nuts.
But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bulls
t Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the malestrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real. New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, f
king IDIOTS.Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is f
king nuts. Edited by Camlet on Saturday 25th June 07:49
Camlet said:
I hate the EU Commission. An undemocratic bunch of political oligarchs. Arrogant, dangerous, not elected, powerful. This alone was a good reason to Brexit.
But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bullst Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the malestrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real.
New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, fking IDIOTS.
Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is fking nuts.
Can't you see that's why people have voted leave? For years the public have wanted certain things from the EU and a better deal, but we've constantly got a worse once and been told to knuckle down and get on with it.But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bulls
t Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the malestrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real. New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, f
king IDIOTS.Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is f
king nuts. Edited by Camlet on Saturday 25th June 07:49
That's why the leave vote has won, we are being bullied.
PGH yes Canada. An outward looking country that has welcomed millions of immigrants and in doing so made Canada a much more vibrant and exciting country.
I have worked and lived all over the world and am proud to say that I am friends with people from- South Africa, Canada, India, China, Russia, Palastine, Australia etc. They are all amazed at the result.
Britain has voted by a small majority to turn her back on Europe and the divorce will be messy.
It will take years to unravel all the laws and during this time who will be steering the ship? Boris?
I am making my plans now and I kind of thought I was finished with moving contries but I really have no wish to live in a country that has a population with such small minded views. And it is my honest opinion that it really was mainly a racist vote.
People talk about an elite in London and Brussels but it is this elite that dragged a lot in the UK kicking and screaming in to the 21st century with sex, age and race discrimination laws. There will be less tolerance now with the leaders you will now have.
People will say good riddance but believe me the people who build things and create employment will be looking at the future and making alternate plans.
So good luck.
I have worked and lived all over the world and am proud to say that I am friends with people from- South Africa, Canada, India, China, Russia, Palastine, Australia etc. They are all amazed at the result.
Britain has voted by a small majority to turn her back on Europe and the divorce will be messy.
It will take years to unravel all the laws and during this time who will be steering the ship? Boris?
I am making my plans now and I kind of thought I was finished with moving contries but I really have no wish to live in a country that has a population with such small minded views. And it is my honest opinion that it really was mainly a racist vote.
People talk about an elite in London and Brussels but it is this elite that dragged a lot in the UK kicking and screaming in to the 21st century with sex, age and race discrimination laws. There will be less tolerance now with the leaders you will now have.
People will say good riddance but believe me the people who build things and create employment will be looking at the future and making alternate plans.
So good luck.
The idea that "the Euro has been hit harder than the pound" is not a good justification.
The crash of both is direct consequence of Brexit, the idea that we get some sort of economic boost from this is exposed as a sham, just as the experts across the board predicted. The EU will put their own interests first, it is obvious they will sell us things, the problem is when it comes to buying, they will favour sourcing goods from within the EU.
The crash of both is direct consequence of Brexit, the idea that we get some sort of economic boost from this is exposed as a sham, just as the experts across the board predicted. The EU will put their own interests first, it is obvious they will sell us things, the problem is when it comes to buying, they will favour sourcing goods from within the EU.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Saturday 25th June 08:38
spankbank said:
I really have no wish to live in a country that has a population with such small minded views. And it is my honest opinion that it really was mainly a racist vote.
Please stop telling us that we're all stupid, racist, poorly educated, too old, etc.It doesn't work anymore.
spankbank said:
People will say good riddance but believe me the people who build things and create employment will be looking at the future and making alternate plans.
Good riddance to...To the students who couldn't be bothered to vote but want us to vote again to get the right answer
To being called all those things I mentioned above
To the hopelessly arrogant and out of touch elite
To people that called us all those things above and now want to "punish" us for not agreeing with them
To the French who banned our beef when they had BSE themselves but lied about it to make sure that we suffered in their place
To people who make rules about cucumbers while our lamb lorries are burned at the roadside
To people who make rules about bananas while the debts spiral out of control, poor Greece.
To dumping dead fish over the sides of boats to protect them
Doing that while everyone else totally ignores the quotas
You know what, good riddance.
spankbank said:
So good luck.
Thanks. And please reconsider, some doors have closed but others have opened. View it as insular and closed minded if you want but I prefer to think of it as a bit of an adventure.Good luck to you too whatever you decide to do!
spankbank said:
Sorry forgot to add where is your response to my main comment which is that £500,000 and at least 2 jobs have been removed from the local economy as a direct impact of the leave vote?
You can add another 500,000 to your total. Mrs Smith and i are speeding up our move to europe , the brexit mob are welcome to this country and their insular island mentality.spankbank said:
PGH yes Canada. An outward looking country that has welcomed millions of immigrants and in doing so made Canada a much more vibrant and exciting country.
I have worked and lived all over the world and am proud to say that I am friends with people from- South Africa, Canada, India, China, Russia, Palastine, Australia etc. They are all amazed at the result.
Britain has voted by a small majority to turn her back on Europe and the divorce will be messy.
It will take years to unravel all the laws and during this time who will be steering the ship? Boris?
I am making my plans now and I kind of thought I was finished with moving contries but I really have no wish to live in a country that has a population with such small minded views. And it is my honest opinion that it really was mainly a racist vote.
People talk about an elite in London and Brussels but it is this elite that dragged a lot in the UK kicking and screaming in to the 21st century with sex, age and race discrimination laws. There will be less tolerance now with the leaders you will now have.
People will say good riddance but believe me the people who build things and create employment will be looking at the future and making alternate plans.
So good luck.
I don't know anyone who has voted to turn their back on Europe. On the contrary, most are keen to be part of Europe and build our relationships. I have worked and lived all over the world and am proud to say that I am friends with people from- South Africa, Canada, India, China, Russia, Palastine, Australia etc. They are all amazed at the result.
Britain has voted by a small majority to turn her back on Europe and the divorce will be messy.
It will take years to unravel all the laws and during this time who will be steering the ship? Boris?
I am making my plans now and I kind of thought I was finished with moving contries but I really have no wish to live in a country that has a population with such small minded views. And it is my honest opinion that it really was mainly a racist vote.
People talk about an elite in London and Brussels but it is this elite that dragged a lot in the UK kicking and screaming in to the 21st century with sex, age and race discrimination laws. There will be less tolerance now with the leaders you will now have.
People will say good riddance but believe me the people who build things and create employment will be looking at the future and making alternate plans.
So good luck.
The EU was and remains the issue.
4x4Tyke said:
Evanivitch said:
Hang on, i thought all that money was for the NHS, science, farmers and poorer regions?
Farage has already withdrawn that commitment to give it to the NHS and it is going into the pot of tax cuts.I've also read that the French have said they are going to push the border checks done in Calais back across the channel. So essentially the migrant camp is going to move to the UK. I bet all the south coasters who voted Out because of immigration scare stories will love that!
4x4Tyke said:
Evanivitch said:
Hang on, i thought all that money was for the NHS, science, farmers and poorer regions?
Farage has already withdrawn that commitment to give it to the NHS and it is going into the pot of tax cuts.spankbank said:
Sorry forgot to add where is your response to my main comment which is that £500,000 and at least 2 jobs have been removed from the local economy as a direct impact of the leave vote?
That says more about you than the vote.Do you really think people are suddenly not going to be needing houses just because of the vote? People are still working, they'll still be able to get a mortgage, so what's suddenly different?
4x4Tyke said:
Farage has already withdrawn that commitment to give it to the NHS and it is going into the pot of tax cuts.
How did you come to believe that Nigel made "that commitment". He is not an MP. He could not make any such commitment. He wasn't even a part of the Vote Leave campaign.Jader1973 said:
AlexC1981 said:
That's interesting, thank you. Looking at last years GDP figures we are 21% the size of the entire EU in terms of GDP if you exclude the UK from the EU figure, so not exactly tiny + we buy more from them than they do from us. I would hope any tariffs raised by the EU would be countered by the UK at the negotiating table. I agree that the fact that the UK sells 50% of our stuff to the EU greatly helps the EU's position, but I think the trade deficit should help ours. In the meantime, we must make stronger trading ties with the rest of the world.
You are assuming that the exporters stay in the UK and that EU residents keep buying UK made products. I'm struggling to think of anything made in the UK that isn't available in the EU except whiskey. I don't think they rely on the UK for anything.Look at the car industry:
If for example the EU applied a 15% tariff on anything from the UK then I suspect Nissan would use their Renault relationship to shift production to France. The EU could also offer incentives to attract Toyota to Spain (for example) and Honda already have a plant in Turkey. GM have plants throughout Europe. JLR would probably bugger off to the US, and BMW would move Mini to Germany or Poland.
Apply that across everything UK made and there is a significant problem.
I'm afraid the Out voters have no idea of the potential implications of exiting.
The current trade deficit with then EU is £23.9bn, so we buy more than we sell. If the EU decides that the trade deal with the UK will be based on 10% tariffs. You would have to hope the UK government with make these reciprocal.
If that was the case - does that make the deficit £23.9bn + 10% on anything coming into the UK?
If so what would stop the government using the 10% income to rebate all the companies exporting from the UK, thus giving them a net cost of £0, while accessing the single market?
Businesses care about profit, so if access to the market is maintained with no extra cost will that have an impact?
I appreciate this may have over-simplified the issue slightly, but is the above possible? The government would be collecting our tariffs, and being outside the EU, could they spend this however they saw fit?
People voted out mainly because of migration not because a lack of democracy. 99% don't know the difference between the Commission and MEPs. My point is a point of desperation. Brexit is a fking disaster mark my words. But so too are the criminally negligent Commission. They should be punished. Fired. There is one tiny chance to avert disaster, we need great LEADERS not unelected bullist civil servants to take control. There are none. Johnson and Gove are as intransigent as the Commission bullst oligarchs. Hence my despair. Our children will suffer terribly, if Europe implodes and it will we are done too. Desperate mess that can be averted.
That's why the leave vote has won, we are being bullied.
king disaster mark my words. But so too are the criminally negligent Commission. They should be punished. Fired. There is one tiny chance to avert disaster, we need great LEADERS not unelected bullist civil servants to take control. There are none. Johnson and Gove are as intransigent as the Commission bullst oligarchs. Hence my despair. Our children will suffer terribly, if Europe implodes and it will we are done too. Desperate mess that can be averted.Leicester Loyal said:
Camlet said:
I hate the EU Commission. An undemocratic bunch of political oligarchs. Arrogant, dangerous, not elected, powerful. This alone was a good reason to Brexit.
But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bullst Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the malestrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real.
New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, fking IDIOTS.
Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is fking nuts.
Can't you see that's why people have voted leave? For years the public have wanted certain things from the EU and a better deal, but we've constantly got a worse once and been told to knuckle down and get on with it.But Brexit is too extreme, it's remarkably dangerous in itself. To us, Europe and beyond.
Here's the thing, until the UK government exercises article 50, the referendum is technically for information only.
Sure, no UK government would ignore the vote but the EU could use the time to introduce new terms. The EU with its bunch of pompous bulls
t Commission Oligarchs can see Hell is being unleashed. I voted Remain because the UK will be sucked into the malestrom. The EU can see the risk of total collapse is real. New terms to massively reform the bloated Commission and return democracy to the markets, to de-politicize the EU might pull everyone back from the brink. This would allow the UK government to re-submit to the UK population via a second referendum.
And the vote would be positive to Remain. The UK would have helped re-shaped Europe for the better. It would avert disaster.
But what did I hear yesterday from the unelected Oligarchs in Brussels. Get the UK out asap.
Junkers said no to any reform. The reporters were silent. The only people clapping were Junkers fellow civil servants. Arrogance, self-interest, f
king IDIOTS.Brexit is going to screw everything. There is a window of hope, sure, it's a pipe dream but the window is there even if it's tiny.
The EU Commission is still not listening. Madness, utter madness. And UK Brexit voters don't even know the hell they've unleashed. Madness, utter madness.
I wish someone would stand up and use the window before article 50 is served no matter how small, how fanciful the window is. This is f
king nuts. Edited by Camlet on Saturday 25th June 07:49
That's why the leave vote has won, we are being bullied.
Camlet said:
People voted out mainly because of migration not because a lack of democracy. 99% don't know the difference between the Commission and MEPs.
Not true. http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-unite...
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