Implications of Brexit!

[AreOut]

Blayney said:

Wow. Hadn't noticed that!

United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":354887

That's a bit pathetic that 1.5 million people from outside of the UK have been able to sign it, isn't it? Is that right?

well, ain't that the way how things are going in EU

[Blayney]

AreOut said:

Blayney said:

Wow. Hadn't noticed that!

United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":354887

That's a bit pathetic that 1.5 million people from outside of the UK have been able to sign it, isn't it? Is that right?

well, ain't that the way how things are going in EU

Point well made!

[poo at Paul's]

Looks like once all the Emotional Cripples on Facebook and in Brussels have thrown their toys out the pram and the "movers and shakers" we need to now negotiate with have had a think, their comments sound rather promising...? Bet the BBC were reeling having to type some of the positive stuff!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

[BlackLabel]

So the £ is higher than it was in February, the FTSE is higher than is was 2 weeks ago and no bank has actually said they are moving yet we're still told by some that the sky is about to fall on us all.

[Robertj21a]

Blayney said:

2 million and going up 2.5k/minute who feel it is the wrong decision for the future of the country and Europe.

Gosh, even for the UK I'm amazed that we can have 2m sour grapes. Just get over it - a better life awaits.

[Derek Smith]

Robertj21a said:

Nice to see so much doom and gloom and so little enthusiasm for a better future !

Looking at the results, and geographical spread, I struggle to see how anyone can not blame Corbyn. Many of the areas voting for Brexit are traditionally full of Labour supporters and he is their leader [not for much longer I guess]. His blatant lack of commitment to Remain would have done much to ensure that anti-Cameron voters had little alternative.

I'm not sure why Corbyn should take the blame when Gove and Johnson et al were those who pushed for an exit without a plan.

Corbyn said what I believed, and still believe: there are good points and bad points of the EU. On balance it is better to stay in. His only error, and one that stood out among all the lies, was that he told the truth. Whether he wanted to remain or not is a moot point, but not one that alters the fact that he was right.

What enthusiasm for what future? There is no plan. No one has any idea what is going to happen. We were told we would have two years of negotiations but now the EU are suggesting that we clear off as soon as possible, like you'd say to a guest whose vomited on the living room carpet.

The real blame lies in the fourth estate. Biased and a source of lies.

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

So the £ is higher than it was in February, the FTSE is higher than is was 2 weeks ago and no bank has actually said they are moving yet we're still told by some that the sky is about to fall on us all.

Early days and a good chance of more volatility, especially if the likes of Juncker get their way. Hopefully Merkel's comments today will get things moving in the right direction.

[Hosenbugler]

Derek Smith said:

Robertj21a said:

Nice to see so much doom and gloom and so little enthusiasm for a better future !

Looking at the results, and geographical spread, I struggle to see how anyone can not blame Corbyn. Many of the areas voting for Brexit are traditionally full of Labour supporters and he is their leader [not for much longer I guess]. His blatant lack of commitment to Remain would have done much to ensure that anti-Cameron voters had little alternative.

I'm not sure why Corbyn should take the blame when Gove and Johnson et al were those who pushed for an exit without a plan.

Corbyn said what I believed, and still believe: there are good points and bad points of the EU. On balance it is better to stay in. His only error, and one that stood out among all the lies, was that he told the truth. Whether he wanted to remain or not is a moot point, but not one that alters the fact that he was right.
What enthusiasm for what future? There is no plan. No one has any idea what is going to happen. We were told we would have two years of negotiations but now the EU are suggesting that we clear off as soon as possible, like you'd say to a guest whose vomited on the living room carpet.
The real blame lies in the fourth estate. Biased and a source of lies.

Waffling drivel, do you live in London?

[AreOut]

Derek Smith said:

I'm not sure why Corbyn should take the blame when Gove and Johnson et al were those who pushed for an exit without a plan.

Corbyn said what I believed, and still believe: there are good points and bad points of the EU. On balance it is better to stay in.

nobody denies that, but your balance doesn't have to match balance of other people, some people like short-term gains while some would sacrifice them for those long-term

[vonuber]

So now it's happening:
- What's the plan for Gibraltar and its border with Spain?
- What's the plan for the border of Northern Ireland / Eire?
- What's the plan if Scotland push for another referendum (which is seemingly likely)?
- What's the plan for all the existing EU people here? How will that magically improve the amount of jobs available, benefits claimed etc?

And that's just for starters.

[loafer123]

vonuber said:

So now it's happening:
- What's the plan for Gibraltar and its border with Spain?
- What's the plan for the border of Northern Ireland / Eire?
- What's the plan if Scotland push for another referendum (which is seemingly likely)?
- What's the plan for all the existing EU people here? How will that magically improve the amount of jobs available, benefits claimed etc?

And that's just for starters.

1 - no change. The Spanish already unilaterally impose passport controls, despite EU rules
2 - no change, as was before the UK joined the E.u
3 - no change - political bluster they will lose again
4 - no change - any changes will be in the future, not to existing migrants

HTH

[s2art]

loafer123 said:

vonuber said:

So now it's happening:
- What's the plan for Gibraltar and its border with Spain?
- What's the plan for the border of Northern Ireland / Eire?
- What's the plan if Scotland push for another referendum (which is seemingly likely)?
- What's the plan for all the existing EU people here? How will that magically improve the amount of jobs available, benefits claimed etc?

And that's just for starters.

1 - no change. The Spanish already unilaterally impose passport controls, despite EU rules
2 - no change, as was before the UK joined the E.u
3 - no change - political bluster they will lose again
4 - no change - any changes will be in the future, not to existing migrants

HTH

Well, we might introduce passport checks at ports for number 2. That should cover it.

[F1 NDW]

Hosenbugler said:

Derek Smith said:

Robertj21a said:

Nice to see so much doom and gloom and so little enthusiasm for a better future !

Looking at the results, and geographical spread, I struggle to see how anyone can not blame Corbyn. Many of the areas voting for Brexit are traditionally full of Labour supporters and he is their leader [not for much longer I guess]. His blatant lack of commitment to Remain would have done much to ensure that anti-Cameron voters had little alternative.

I'm not sure why Corbyn should take the blame when Gove and Johnson et al were those who pushed for an exit without a plan.

Corbyn said what I believed, and still believe: there are good points and bad points of the EU. On balance it is better to stay in. His only error, and one that stood out among all the lies, was that he told the truth. Whether he wanted to remain or not is a moot point, but not one that alters the fact that he was right.
What enthusiasm for what future? There is no plan. No one has any idea what is going to happen. We were told we would have two years of negotiations but now the EU are suggesting that we clear off as soon as possible, like you'd say to a guest whose vomited on the living room carpet.
The real blame lies in the fourth estate. Biased and a source of lies.

Waffling drivel, do you live in London?

I presume you are referring to Robertj21a! A lot of my Brexit friends are looking very green around the Gills today. They have suddenly woken up to what it means to their job's, savings and pensions! Too late!

[DonkeyApple]

F1 NDW said:

I presume you are referring to Robertj21a! A lot of my Brexit friends are looking very green around the Gills today. They have suddenly woken up to what it means to their job's, savings and pensions! Too late!

I went out of London today to release the children into the wild. As we were walking back to the car I overhead a lady on the phone talking about how she would vote differently if she knew then what she does now and that her friends had been saying the same.

It is a pigs ear but we must now move forward and deal with it. We do have the capacity to succeed but everyone is going to have to work rather hard.

[ClaphamGT3]

poo at Paul's said:

Looks like once all the Emotional Cripples on Facebook and in Brussels have thrown their toys out the pram and the "movers and shakers" we need to now negotiate with have had a think, their comments sound rather promising...? Bet the BBC were reeling having to type some of the positive stuff!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

You think those are encouraging?!

You don't know much about the realities of politics do You?

Do give you some sense of "The Positive stuff";

On Tuesday I dined with the CEO of one of London's largest corporate land lords. He told me that a number of his FI clients had already started discussions about exiting their leases

On Friday, three clients called to ask us to re-visit the viability of their development portfolios based on their downward predictions on sales values and increased finance costs

On Friday I chatted to the European Real Estate Director of a major automotive co with a manufacturing base in the UK. They have a plan to switch production out of the UK post-Brexit.

That's day one. Believe me; there's a st storm coming the like of which none of us have ever seen

[vonuber]

ClaphamGT3 said:

You think those are encouraging?!

You don't know much about the realities of politics do You?

Do give you some sense of "The Positive stuff";

On Tuesday I dined with the CEO of one of London's largest corporate land lords. He told me that a number of his FI clients had already started discussions about exiting their leases

On Friday, three clients called to ask us to re-visit the viability of their development portfolios based on their downward predictions on sales values and increased finance costs

On Friday I chatted to the European Real Estate Director of a major automotive co with a manufacturing base in the UK. They have a plan to switch production out of the UK post-Brexit.

That's day one. Believe me; there's a st storm coming the like of which none of us have ever seen

I mentioned this yesterday, but the mood from our Directors is very sombre. It was basically 'we are going to try and minimise job losses, but hold on'. If we start losing work and jobs there is a very, very long tail behind us, ironically employing a lot of the people who would have voted Leave. For every design project we don't get, there could be 1000's of jobs at risk.

Ho hum.

[loafer123]

ClaphamGT3 said:

You think those are encouraging?!

You don't know much about the realities of politics do You?

Do give you some sense of "The Positive stuff";

On Tuesday I dined with the CEO of one of London's largest corporate land lords. He told me that a number of his FI clients had already started discussions about exiting their leases

On Friday, three clients called to ask us to re-visit the viability of their development portfolios based on their downward predictions on sales values and increased finance costs

On Friday I chatted to the European Real Estate Director of a major automotive co with a manufacturing base in the UK. They have a plan to switch production out of the UK post-Brexit.

That's day one. Believe me; there's a st storm coming the like of which none of us have ever seen

Interesting. I was with a director of a major REIT negotiating prelets on major London office deals with overseas CEOs last week and he has asked several under negotiation whether they are Brexit dependent and they all confirmed they were not.

In reality, I think the London office market might well drop from it's current froth, but that is no bad thing and it will be within perfectly normal ranges. The U.K. Is not overvalued in yield terms when compared to Frankfurt or Tokyo, but rents, particularly in the West End, need to moderate.

[eharding]

ClaphamGT3 said:

That's day one. Believe me; there's a st storm coming the like of which none of us have ever seen

Chill, Winston.

Whilst I can fully understand various folk performing due diligence in the light of the referendum result, I don't think we'll actually ever invoke Article 50.

The Brexiteers have long been chuntering on about the sovereignty of Parliamentary decisions.

I think they'll find that in the final analysis, Parliament will decide - probably after a General Election - and it won't be decision the Brexiteers will like.

[don'tbesilly]

eharding said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

That's day one. Believe me; there's a st storm coming the like of which none of us have ever seen

Chill, Winston.

Whilst I can fully understand various folk performing due diligence in the light of the referendum result, I don't think we'll actually ever invoke Article 50.

The Brexiteers have long been chuntering on about the sovereignty of Parliamentary decisions.

I think they'll find that in the final analysis, Parliament will decide - probably after a General Election - and it won't be decision the Brexiteers will like.

You seem to be implying that Cameron was indeed scaremongering when in one of his last speeches during the last week of campaigning, he said this:

EU vote 'is an irreversible decision. There is no going back'.

I don't think 17.4 million people are going to be best pleased that it was indeed a lie, and that their decision to leave is going to be disregarded.

Is the above what you're suggesting?

[vonuber]

don'tbesilly said:

You seem to be implying that Cameron was indeed scaremongering when in one of his last speeches during the last week of campaigning, he said this:

EU vote 'is an irreversible decision. There is no going back'.

I don't think 17.4 million people are going to be best pleased that it was indeed a lie, and that their decision to leave is going to be disregarded.

Is the above what you're suggesting?

I think we'll leave, but I think we will keep the freedom of movement - probably with a minimum time before you can claim benefits of say two years as a sweetner.