The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[jjlynn27]

Mr_B said:

You are deaf then. She answers after and says "no it doesn't" only after Marr saying "it doesn't have to left them join". You hear what you want to hear, as per when 4 people on PH told you a million plus migrants coming to Germany was of no real concern and declared it "settled".
As I said, at best its unclear and I concede she may well be saying that. You are just on edge to hear what you want to and take it as a given.

Not deaf, and not unclear at all. To anyone but you. Once again, she starts to answer even before his 'add-on'. Rest of the interview confirms that she meant what was reported. Two outfits made it quite clear what was the answer to, as if you needed it after seeing the video. The simple explanation is that you are so blinkered by your hatred of EU that you'll clutch any passing straws. Or it could be part of some MSM (BBC and Indy) conspiracy to make brexiters look stupid.

Mr_B said:

When you have a politician like Dave who is in denial of his own clear statements and plays down what he said when he needs to, don't be too surprised if the trust in him quickly goes out the window. You cant be saying how angered you are Turkey isn't being allowed to join the EU and how passionate you are to be their biggest champion to join one minute, then say no chance the next.
Guess what ? On a remain vote some people think he'll turn again and would vote them in. Leave the EU and you can simply trade with them and select who you don't mind coming to visit or work in the UK at you pleasure.

For the purpose of this discussion, it's irrelevant if Dave 'turns again'.

Edited by jjlynn27 on Monday 23 May 15:18

[Likes Fast Cars]

Sam All said:

So Cameron & Co claim sterling will fall by up to 15%.

So against the Euro about 90p to the Euro against the current level of 77p up from 70p in Nov 2015.

3 years ago we were at the levels CMD & Co suggest in their doomsday scenario.

We were doing fine then, as we were in 2011 when sterling was pretty much at parity to the Euro.

Scare mongering.

If Carney and the BoE had anything to do with these numbers we have anything to worry about.... they will be so far from reality.

[Mr_B]

jjlynn27 said:

Mr_B said:

You are deaf then. She answers after and says "no it doesn't" only after Marr saying "it doesn't have to left them join". You hear what you want to hear, as per when 4 people on PH told you a million plus migrants coming to Germany was of no real concern and declared it "settled".
As I said, at best its unclear and I concede she may well be saying that. You are just on edge to hear what you want to and take it as a given.

Not deaf, and not unclear at all. To anyone but you. Once again, she starts to answer even before his 'add-on'. Rest of the interview confirms that she meant what was reported. Two outfits made it quite clear what was the answer to, as if you needed it after seeing the video. The simple explanation is that you are so blinkered by your hatred of EU that you'll clutch any passing straws. Or it could be part of some MSM (BBC and Indy) conspiracy to make brexiters look stupid.

Mr_B said:

When you have a politician like Dave who is in denial of his own clear statements and plays down what he said when he needs to, don't be too surprised if the trust in him quickly goes out the window. You cant be saying how angered you are Turkey isn't being allowed to join the EU and how passionate you are to be their biggest champion to join one minute, then say no chance the next.
Guess what ? On a remain vote some people think he'll turn again and would vote them in. Leave the EU and you can simply trade with them and select who you don't mind coming to visit or work in the UK at you pleasure.

For the purpose of this discussion, it's irrelevant if Dave 'turns again'.

Dave won't be about, but the point is that once you vote stay, you are reliant on people like Dave when he says one thing one minute, then does an about turn the next min. His successor could be even more loony and be Corbyn with his total open borders dream and complete trust in everyone on everything.
I won't get a vote on Turkey joining and being given total access as per eastern Europe in 2004. Just like then when Labour said 'don't worry about it, our predictions are 13k per year' , the trust has gone and it seems that a majority of people want to see controls on immigration, even if some are remain voters.

Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.

[Likes Fast Cars]

CrutyRammers said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

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If only life were as simple as your analysis would suggest.

Do you mean to say that our people can go off and arrange trade deals and investment with other countries without needing to go through the EU?

Yes they could, you don't even need trade deals in Turkey these days, in reality this is what happens:

@EddieSteadyGo - EFA to say:

Let's take an example (which happens to be true). Let's say the UK Government turns a blind eye to UK companies paying bribes to Erdogan and his mates’ companies to gain contracts in Turkey worth tens of millions - would that be worthwhile?


Two more such classics happened last week, the evil Cengiz and his cohorts were awarded two more massive infrastructure projects. It's like a novel.

[Likes Fast Cars]

although I should say to clarify my above post: the UK government is not in the habit of turning a blind eye to bribery & corruption, unless of course we are talking about the lack of transparency in the EU

[anonymous-user]

I thought it was funny that the one scare we haven't had yet is Brexit will cause global warming. A quick google and of course I'm completely wrong... they are all over it! Wow. It really is only a matter of time before the natural history museum warns about Brexit causing a return of dinosaurs to Londons streets!

[jjlynn27]

Mr_B said:

Dave won't be about, but the point is that once you vote stay, you are reliant on people like Dave when he says one thing one minute, then does an about turn the next min. His successor could be even more loony and be Corbyn with his total open borders dream and complete trust in everyone on everything.
I won't get a vote on Turkey joining and being given total access as per eastern Europe in 2004. Just like then when Labour said 'don't worry about it, our predictions are 13k per year' , the trust has gone and it seems that a majority of people want to see controls on immigration, even if some are remain voters.

What you meant to say is you are reliant on democratically elected people? Be that Dave, Corbyn or someone else? Isn't that the whole point of brexiters complaining about, that you can't vote people 'responsible' out?

Mr_B said:

Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.

Even if you vote out, how do you have total control? What would stop 'Dave and the likes of Dave' to say 'I like Erdogan, here, free visas for Turks'. As long as there is a veto, and there is not one, but two, regardless of what that fearmongering dimwit says, you are relying on democratically elected to represent your interests. In or out.

Edited by jjlynn27 on Monday 23 May 19:22

[Guybrush]

fblm said:

I thought it was funny that the one scare we haven't had yet is Brexit will cause global warming. A quick google and of course I'm completely wrong... they are all over it! Wow. It really is only a matter of time before the natural history museum warns about Brexit causing a return of dinosaurs to Londons streets!

I know, I thought the same. No stone has been unturned in the search for a brexit Armageddon scare story.

[turbobloke]

Guybrush said:

fblm said:

I thought it was funny that the one scare we haven't had yet is Brexit will cause global warming. A quick google and of course I'm completely wrong... they are all over it! Wow. It really is only a matter of time before the natural history museum warns about Brexit causing a return of dinosaurs to Londons streets!

I know, I thought the same. No stone has been unturned in the search for a brexit Armageddon scare story.

Yes it's really very silly but then the entire edifice of climate fairytales is likewise, with or without Brexit.

Tim Worstall has (in a manner of speaking) got it sorted at the link below. A note of optimism derives from fuel tax already being above the levels advocated in the lunacy of the Stern Report.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/10/16/brexit...

[Puggit]

Harperson thinks the EU will impose tariffs on their food exports to the UK if we vote out:

https://twitter.com/chrisg0000/status/734485255852...

[Tony427]

Puggit said:

Harperson thinks the EU will impose tariffs on their food exports to the UK if we vote out:

https://twitter.com/chrisg0000/status/734485255852...

She's not alone. MP David Lammy was on The Daily Politics today and said that the NHS would be put into a very difficult position, and its in a terrible position now, because if we voted Leave its costs would go up because the EU would be imposing Tariffs on goods the NHS would be importing.

Liam Fox just looked at him in disbelief and said " No thats totally wrong" which is very gracious of him as I would have just said " Shut up you blithering idiot."

So this is the level of expertise in international trade the Remainers are putting up to peddle the remain story, Harman and Lammy.

Sounds like a comedy duo, which is what they are I suppose.

Cheers,

Tony

[Sam All]

Tony427 said:

She's not alone. MP David Lammy was on The Daily Politics today and said that the NHS would be put into a very difficult position, and its in a terrible position now, because if we voted Leave its costs would go up because the EU would be imposing Tariffs on goods the NHS would be importing.

Liam Fox just looked at him in disbelief and said " No thats totally wrong" which is very gracious of him as I would have just said " Shut up you blithering idiot."

So this is the level of expertise in international trade the Remainers are putting up to peddle the remain story, Harman and Lammy.

Sounds like a comedy duo, which is what they are I suppose.

Cheers,

Tony

The tide going out has exposed some pretty ugly and rusty hulls.

[FiF]

Literally back of envelope calculation, thanks to Lord Ashcroft.

[Cobnapint]

Sam All said:

So Cameron & Co claim sterling will fall by up to 15%.

So against the Euro about 90p to the Euro against the current level of 77p up from 70p in Nov 2015.

3 years ago we were at the levels CMD & Co suggest in their doomsday scenario.

We were doing fine then, as we were in 2011 when sterling was pretty much at parity to the Euro.

Scare mongering.

Save from dropping to their knees and pleading with us to save their arses, this is 'the' most desperate bullstting we've seen from them yet.

There was a Treasury spokeswoman on the DP today. Ludicrous doesn't cover it.

[hidetheelephants]

Puggit said:

Harperson thinks the EU will impose tariffs on their food exports to the UK if we vote out:

https://twitter.com/chrisg0000/status/734485255852...

As if we didn't already know how stupid Harman is she reconfirms it with this belter.

[pingu393]

FiF said:

Literally back of envelope calculation, thanks to Lord Ashcroft.

Hard to argue with.

[Tony427]

Robert Peston on the 6.00pm ITN news was less than flattering about the latest round of lies, sorry treasury modelling. Using words like "madness" and "bonkers" to describe the publication and the assumptions the forecasts were built on , this coming from someone who does have credibility to the general public, must have been pretty painful for Cameron et al.

Coupled with all the rubbishing from the Leave camp, and Sturgeon putting her boot in more or less telling everyone that Camerons claims were beyond belief and conterproductive, although surely a leave vote would actually play rather well into her hands, I'm sure the day hasn't gone quite as well as they had planned.

As he was in Buy and Queue I'd describe it as a Botched job.

Perhaps he should have got some professionals in.

Cheers,

Tony

[anonymous-user]

Tony427 said:

...surely a leave vote would actually play rather well into her hands...

I suspect they are stting themselves at the prospect. SNP maths didn't work at $100 a barrel!

[Cobnapint]

fblm said:

Tony427 said:

...surely a leave vote would actually play rather well into her hands...

I suspect they are stting themselves at the prospect. SNP maths didn't work at $100 a barrel!

There'll be about 18 months of 'right that's it, we'll go out and see what the will of the Scottish people is regarding another referendum'.
The confirmation of which will amazingly coincide with oil being back up at it's previous high price.

[Esseesse]

jjlynn27 said:

Mr_B said:

Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.

Even if you vote out, how do you have total control? What would stop 'Dave and the likes of Dave' to say 'I like Erdogan, here, free visas for Turks'. As long as there is a veto, and there is not one, but two, regardless of what that fearmongering dimwit says, you are relying on democratically elected to represent your interests. In or out.

They would be less able to ignore the will of the people when the opposition is allowed to oppose.