The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[Sam All]

Postpone the vote till there is a plan.

Edited by Sam All on Monday 30th May 13:57

[steveT350C]

Sam All said:

Postpone the vote till there is plan.

Best plan so far!

[Esseesse]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Sam All said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Esseesse said:

Leading postal vote forms telling you how to vote...



https://twitter.com/henry4alw/status/7368778815828...

Hate to have to mention it, but isn't this similar to the election ballot papers that the Nazis issued where the pro Nazi tick box, was much more prominent than the non Nazi party tick box?
I know there is a belief by some, that the general public is stupid, but do they really t need a hand holding a pencil hovering over the pro EU box to show them how to mark an X with a pencil in a ballot paper tick box?

It's a fake surely?

If it isn't, it bloody well needs to be!

Seems to be not a fake, but it's what has been sent out in the Bristol area. I get the impression that different areas/councils send out their own instructions, and it's just the polling card that is the same everywhere?

[Esseesse]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Hate to have to mention it, but isn't this similar to the election ballot papers that the Nazis issued where the pro Nazi tick box, was much more prominent than the non Nazi party tick box?
I know there is a belief by some, that the general public is stupid, but do they really t need a hand holding a pencil hovering over the pro EU box to show them how to mark an X with a pencil in a ballot paper tick box?

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/bri...

[jmorgan]

Sam All said:

Postpone the vote till there is a plan.

Edited by Sam All on Monday 30th May 13:57

At the moment it is "oh yes it is" "oh no it isn't"

Waiting for CMD and Boris to come on as the Panto Dames ugly sisters.

[powerstroke]

Sam All said:

Postpone the vote till there is a plan.

Edited by Sam All on Monday 30th May 13:57

Postpone the vote until there is a plan for remain or leave ...... seriously the civil service will have been on both senarios
for monthes anyway when something happens like a war or disaster they seem to muddle through .... I think it will be fairly simple if we leave now as we have all the functions of government like tax, defence etc
The most important thing of all is we have our own currency .......

[Esseesse]

Don't know a huge amount about Hugh Gaitskell. Shame politicians don't speak like this any longer... https://twitter.com/chrisg0000/status/734834890831...

[JagLover]

Gogoplata said:

JagLover said:

Looking at the polls it is within the realms of possibility, in a close result, that England votes to leave but the UK as a whole does not. Which would certainly be an interesting outcome.

Would that mean that England could hold a referendum to leave the UK, like the SNP are threatening to do if the result doesn't suit them?

Well it would certainly be interesting if Scotland did leave the UK and the parts that remained had actually voted to leave the EU

[Axionknight]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Esseesse said:

Leading postal vote forms telling you how to vote...



https://twitter.com/henry4alw/status/7368778815828...

Hate to have to mention it, but isn't this similar to the election ballot papers that the Nazis issued where the pro Nazi tick box, was much more prominent than the non Nazi party tick box?
I know there is a belief by some, that the general public is stupid, but do they really t need a hand holding a pencil hovering over the pro EU box to show them how to mark an X with a pencil in a ballot paper tick box?

That was a referendum on the annexation of Austria. But by that point civil liberty had been all but eroded and I would imagine that casting a "No" vote, or indeed publicising the fact you had voted that way would have been dangerous.

[Sam All]

Plenty of fear now will influence the result.

[turbobloke]

Sam All said:

Plenty of fear now will influence the result.

Do you have any particular phobia in mind?!

Most have already been taken - largely by Remain, some by Leave.

[Sam All]

turbobloke said:

Sam All said:

Plenty of fear now will influence the result.

Do you have any particular phobia in mind?!

Most have already been taken - largely by Remain, some by Leave.

The way to a persons vote is via their wallet ramped up perhaps?

[steveT350C]

David Cameron's EU campaign 'corrupt', says insurer Hiscox's former Chairman ( of 43 years ) ...

"Their corrupt statements and illegal propaganda pouring out is something to behold, especially the Treasury document"

http://nr.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?re...

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

cookie118 said:

Farage seems to be happy to take the position but not to do the work. He's not working for the uk's or his constituents interests at these meetings-but uses the situation to further his own career.

Surely you mean he's not working in the manner you and others might want him to work? Farage sees his constituents' interests served best by doing what he does and as some sort of opposition to the EUP's nodding dog contingent of federalist superstatists he's most welcome to those with other viewpoints than your own.

I don't quite get how uk fishermen's interests are best served by him not turning up to meetings or votes that impact on them? Personally if we're paying for UKIP meps to attend the European Parliament I'd expect them to turn up far more than 2/3rds of the time!

Leave like to say we're marginalised and the eu doesn't listen to us-Maybe we'd be less 'marginalised' in Europe and the eu would listen to our concerns more if our meps actually turned up to the committees and votes when they are supposed to be representing us rather than doing nothing!

Farage in that role wasn't offering any opposition or rocking the eu's boat, he was completely absent.

[vonuber]

I see the latest wheeze is scrapping all the environmental regs, thus magicking up another 2bn from the magical brexit money tree.
Who needs this 'environment' anyway eh. It all sounds a bit foreign to me.

[EddieSteadyGo]

cookie118 said:

turbobloke said:

cookie118 said:

Farage seems to be happy to take the position but not to do the work. He's not working for the uk's or his constituents interests at these meetings-but uses the situation to further his own career.

Surely you mean he's not working in the manner you and others might want him to work? Farage sees his constituents' interests served best by doing what he does and as some sort of opposition to the EUP's nodding dog contingent of federalist superstatists he's most welcome to those with other viewpoints than your own.

I don't quite get how uk fishermen's interests are best served by him not turning up to meetings or votes that impact on them? Personally if we're paying for UKIP meps to attend the European Parliament I'd expect them to turn up far more than 2/3rds of the time!

Leave like to say we're marginalised and the eu doesn't listen to us-Maybe we'd be less 'marginalised' in Europe and the eu would listen to our concerns more if our meps actually turned up to the committees and votes when they are supposed to be representing us rather than doing nothing!

Farage in that role wasn't offering any opposition or rocking the eu's boat, he was completely absent.

I think Cookie118 has a good point here.

Going back 6 months, I hadn't given much thought to how the European Parliament operated.

What is clear to me now is that it is very important we elect people who can form alliances with other groups and can cooperate to get things done which are in our best interest.

We (the public) have used our allocation of MEPs to elect the single largest group of people who, out of principle, refuse to participate or engage. This is despite there being issues like fisheries policy which could be of great benefit to the UK if it could be improved.

If we vote to stay in, we need to think very carefully who we elect in future to represent us as MEPs. I honestly now think in electing UKIP as the largest group as our MEPs we have inadvertently 'cut our nose off to spite our face'.

[s2art]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I think Cookie118 has a good point here.

Going back 6 months, I hadn't given much thought to how the European Parliament operated.

What is clear to me now is that it is very important we elect people who can form alliances with other groups and can cooperate to get things done which are in our best interest.

We (the public) have used our allocation of MEPs to elect the single largest group of people who, out of principle, refuse to participate or engage. This is despite there being issues like fisheries policy which could be of great benefit to the UK if it could be improved.

If we vote to stay in, we need to think very carefully who we elect in future to represent us as MEPs. I honestly now think in electing UKIP as the largest group as our MEPs we have inadvertently 'cut our nose off to spite our face'.

The MEPs really dont have much power. The commission and council is where the power resides.

[///ajd]

EddieSteadyGo said:

cookie118 said:

turbobloke said:

cookie118 said:

Farage seems to be happy to take the position but not to do the work. He's not working for the uk's or his constituents interests at these meetings-but uses the situation to further his own career.

Surely you mean he's not working in the manner you and others might want him to work? Farage sees his constituents' interests served best by doing what he does and as some sort of opposition to the EUP's nodding dog contingent of federalist superstatists he's most welcome to those with other viewpoints than your own.

I don't quite get how uk fishermen's interests are best served by him not turning up to meetings or votes that impact on them? Personally if we're paying for UKIP meps to attend the European Parliament I'd expect them to turn up far more than 2/3rds of the time!

Leave like to say we're marginalised and the eu doesn't listen to us-Maybe we'd be less 'marginalised' in Europe and the eu would listen to our concerns more if our meps actually turned up to the committees and votes when they are supposed to be representing us rather than doing nothing!

Farage in that role wasn't offering any opposition or rocking the eu's boat, he was completely absent.

I think Cookie118 has a good point here.

Going back 6 months, I hadn't given much thought to how the European Parliament operated.

What is clear to me now is that it is very important we elect people who can form alliances with other groups and can cooperate to get things done which are in our best interest.

We (the public) have used our allocation of MEPs to elect the single largest group of people who, out of principle, refuse to participate or engage. This is despite there being issues like fisheries policy which could be of great benefit to the UK if it could be improved.

If we vote to stay in, we need to think very carefully who we elect in future to represent us as MEPs. I honestly now think in electing UKIP as the largest group as our MEPs we have inadvertently 'cut our nose off to spite our face'.

100 million % agree.

you watch though, i fear the 'protest vote' is not smart enough to read your post and realise they should agree with it.

[Einion Yrth]

///ajd said:

100 million % agree.

Tells me as much as I need to know about your grasp of arithmetic.

[PRTVR]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I think Cookie118 has a good point here.

Going back 6 months, I hadn't given much thought to how the European Parliament operated.

What is clear to me now is that it is very important we elect people who can form alliances with other groups and can cooperate to get things done which are in our best interest.

We (the public) have used our allocation of MEPs to elect the single largest group of people who, out of principle, refuse to participate or engage. This is despite there being issues like fisheries policy which could be of great benefit to the UK if it could be improved.

If we vote to stay in, we need to think very carefully who we elect in future to represent us as MEPs. I honestly now think in electing UKIP as the largest group as our MEPs we have inadvertently 'cut our nose off to spite our face'.

Things will not change if the vote is to remain, well they might, I can see a lot of conservative voters switching to UKIP after the way Cameron has acted, UKIP in the EU will get stronger and alliances with the rising anti EU groups that are growing throughout Europe, what not the vision of the future you imagined?