The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[wc98]

Axionknight said:

Mr Corbyn for PM by February 2017.

dear god no.

[turbobloke]

wc98 said:

Axionknight said:

Mr Corbyn for PM by February 2017.

dear god no.

No is about right on that score.

[Axionknight]

Boris as PM with Nige as deputy in coalition then

[turbobloke]

Axionknight said:

Boris as PM with Nige as deputy in coalition then

OK.

[PRTVR]

wc98 said:

PRTVR said:

wc98 said:

here we agree, if we vote to remain it is a vote for greater integration, better making the most of it by sending people that will at least attempt to argue on our behalf. i voted ukip during the last european elections , there will be no point in doing so next time around.

You missed the bit from TB explaining that whoever you vote for is immaterial,the power doesn't reside with who we elect, changing your vote will make no difference whatsoever, but if it gives you a sense of control go for it.

oh i completely agree, they will make no difference, but in the event of a remain vote i think it is best i make the most of the opportunities eu membership offers as advised by the remain voters on this very forum. having had a chat with my brother we both agree we should get with the program and we both think opening a "gentlemans" club staffed solely with svelte eastern european staff would be a good start. if we leave we will both just mosey along as is

That is underhanded
A gentlemen's club with eastern European girls, where do I sign up for remain...

[CaptainSlow]

Mr Whippy said:

I wonder if voter apathy will diminish significantly?

People are starting to wake up I think, and see Labour and Cons as basically the same old lies and self-serving parties.

People may be wanting to see a real change, and the only way to get that is not voting for those parties.

LibDem + UKIP coalition?



Liberals surely by their very nature should want to be out of the EU, since the EU stands for illiberalism?

Dave

There'll never be a Liberal UKIP coalition. Liberal Ds are the most pro EU party, who do you think stopped the promised referendum in the last parliament, ironic that a party with the name Democrat in the name didn't actually want democracy.

[JoeMarano]

I've got a feeling this will be one of those cases where everyone I have met says they are voting out and then when it comes to it the vote will be 60/40 in favour of staying in

[Mr Whippy]

CaptainSlow said:

Mr Whippy said:

I wonder if voter apathy will diminish significantly?

People are starting to wake up I think, and see Labour and Cons as basically the same old lies and self-serving parties.

People may be wanting to see a real change, and the only way to get that is not voting for those parties.

LibDem + UKIP coalition?



Liberals surely by their very nature should want to be out of the EU, since the EU stands for illiberalism?

Dave

There'll never be a Liberal UKIP coalition. Liberal Ds are the most pro EU party, who do you think stopped the promised referendum in the last parliament, ironic that a party with the name Democrat in the name didn't actually want democracy.

Or Liberal in their name.


However that doesn't mean a return to true liberalism may not be on the cards.

They'd get my vote if they were truly for liberalism and liberty!


But since todays parties are the inverse of what they advertise in their name at worst, or just something entirely different, I'm not sure I hold much hope for such a turn around.


Every party we have going seems to be there purely to exist for itself, rather than those who elect it's representatives into power.

[Einion Yrth]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I'd be interested in reading the odd expansive post from you.

Really? I doubt it. Oh, and I'm going for > 90%, particularly if it winds you up.
Or you could just ignore me, I'm easy.

[steveT350C]

The next step in the gradual erosion of sovereignty...

http://order-order.com/2016/05/25/eu-plots-europe-...

[EddieSteadyGo]

Einion Yrth said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

I'd be interested in reading the odd expansive post from you.

Really? I doubt it. Oh, and I'm going for > 90%, particularly if it winds you up.
Or you could just ignore me, I'm easy.

Yes, I would. And I was being kind with the 90%. And it doesn't wind me up, just is as I said, a bit predictable.

[0000]

steveT350C said:

The next step in the gradual erosion of sovereignty...

http://order-order.com/2016/05/25/eu-plots-europe-...

EU ID cards in 5... 4...

[don4l]

cookie118 said:

turbobloke said:

cookie118 said:

Farage seems to be happy to take the position but not to do the work. He's not working for the uk's or his constituents interests at these meetings-but uses the situation to further his own career.

Surely you mean he's not working in the manner you and others might want him to work? Farage sees his constituents' interests served best by doing what he does and as some sort of opposition to the EUP's nodding dog contingent of federalist superstatists he's most welcome to those with other viewpoints than your own.

I don't quite get how uk fishermen's interests are best served by him not turning up to meetings or votes that impact on them?

You make a very good point.

The only way that we can improve the lot of our fishing fleet is by exiting the EU.

Perhaps you would care to tell us how Nigel could improve our fishermens' lives by attending meetings?

Do you think that Nigel could get a deal whereby European fishermen were excluded from our waters?

[don4l]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I think Cookie118 has a good point here.

Going back 6 months, I hadn't given much thought to how the European Parliament operated.

What is clear to me now is that it is very important we elect people who can form alliances with other groups and can cooperate to get things done which are in our best interest.

We (the public) have used our allocation of MEPs to elect the single largest group of people who, out of principle, refuse to participate or engage. This is despite there being issues like fisheries policy which could be of great benefit to the UK if it could be improved.

If we vote to stay in, we need to think very carefully who we elect in future to represent us as MEPs. I honestly now think in electing UKIP as the largest group as our MEPs we have inadvertently 'cut our nose off to spite our face'.

You seem to think that MEP's actually have some power.

I would suggest that you haven't a clue about how the EU works.

MEP's do not have the power to propose legislation. They only have the power to negate the legislation that has been proposed by the commissioners. They rarely exercise this power for the same reason that Britain rarely exercises her veto.

[turbobloke]

0000 said:

steveT350C said:

The next step in the gradual erosion of sovereignty...

http://order-order.com/2016/05/25/eu-plots-europe-...

EU ID cards in 5... 4...

Those plans are clearly fabrications intended to scare people into voting Leave. Remainians have told us it's simply status quo in the EU, what could possibly change or go wrong? In any case, CMD has already saved us. Three cheers for our saviour.

[Mr Whippy]

0000 said:

steveT350C said:

The next step in the gradual erosion of sovereignty...

http://order-order.com/2016/05/25/eu-plots-europe-...

EU ID cards in 5... 4...

Nineteen Eighty Four in 5... 4...

And it's all for YOUR benefit... pleb!

Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 30th May 20:39

[///ajd]

don4l said:

cookie118 said:

turbobloke said:

cookie118 said:

Farage seems to be happy to take the position but not to do the work. He's not working for the uk's or his constituents interests at these meetings-but uses the situation to further his own career.

Surely you mean he's not working in the manner you and others might want him to work? Farage sees his constituents' interests served best by doing what he does and as some sort of opposition to the EUP's nodding dog contingent of federalist superstatists he's most welcome to those with other viewpoints than your own.

I don't quite get how uk fishermen's interests are best served by him not turning up to meetings or votes that impact on them?

You make a very good point.

The only way that we can improve the lot of our fishing fleet is by exiting the EU.

Perhaps you would care to tell us how Nigel could improve our fishermens' lives by attending meetings?

Do you think that Nigel could get a deal whereby European fishermen were excluded from our waters?

exclude eu fisherman - is that the only option?

could he not do something about regulation & enforcement if spain are breaking the rules as reported, of the dutch if that is also "unfair"?

if he only went to 1/43 meetings, he ability to do anything useful was probably nil.

cheers nige, letting down our fisherman in the EU for years....

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

cheers nige, letting down our fisherman in the EU for years....

Of course, it's so obvious when you put it like that.

[///ajd]

turbobloke said:

///ajd said:

cheers nige, letting down our fisherman in the EU for years....

Of course, it's so obvious when you put it like that.

the eu is a hotbed of protectionism - where do you think the protectionism comes from? the eu centrally? or nations like france and spain?

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

turbobloke said:

///ajd said:

cheers nige, letting down our fisherman in the EU for years....

Of course, it's so obvious when you put it like that.

the eu is a hotbed of protectionism - where do you think the protectionism comes from? the eu centrally? or nations like france and spain?

I was thinking about Nige attending meetings to 'save our fishermen'.