The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
Reddit poll running (remain bias probably). Vote and results here... http://www.poll-maker.com/poll704828xc4Bb8a60-29
Thread here... https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/4lkx8...
Thread here... https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/4lkx8...
Non-British, but European, residents in the UK being sent polling cards: http://order-order.com/2016/05/31/eu-citizens-sent...
Puggit said:
Non-British, but European, residents in the UK being sent polling cards: http://order-order.com/2016/05/31/eu-citizens-sent...
Guido said:
Non-British EU citizens do not have a vote in the referendum...Another stunning success...
Biased postal vote instructions, false eligibility, it'll come in threes so one to go.FiF said:
Groundhog day, yet certain people continue to wonder why they get repeatedly accused of making things up, or why they get laughed at for demanding certainty and detailed route maps for certain issues, whilst blatantly ignoring the uncertainty and no details on their own account.
It is not a wonder.- the remain side get accused of making things up as the fundamental points made cannot be challenged. e.g. £4000 based on a 3-5% GDP dip! You made it up!!!! Well, its a forecast - where 95+% of economists agree GDP would be hit.
- they get laughed at and mocked for the same reason. no answer, so just mock. worked for salmond for ages. etc.
It is what the side with holes in its bucket resorts to when the game is up.
Puggit said:
Non-British, but European, residents in the UK being sent polling cards: http://order-order.com/2016/05/31/eu-citizens-sent...
And yet when it's a remain result people will be somehow surprised when UKIP gain votes and this doesn't just go away.Pan Pan Pan said:
don4l said:
We asked for very little, failed to get even that, but voted to stay in anyway. Now can we please have some reform?
Yeah, right
The EU keeps on referring to the UK as wanting, and having `special treatment' Too F*cking right we do, if by special treatment that means we want fair treatment, and recognition that the UK is the second largest net contributor into EU coffers, helping to keep the whole corrupt mess going. Yeah, right
I cannot understand why the UK does not have the same, or almost the same influence in how the EU is run, and where it will go as Germany?
The `He who pays the piper call the tune' saying clearly works for Germany, but clearly not for the UK???
A secret recording of Merkel telling Hollande how the weak British succumbed to their order and charm?
Sam All said:
What will be the game changer against the remain vote?
A secret recording of Merkel telling Hollande how the weak British succumbed to their order and charm?
I think it would be a game changer if someone were to leak the list of proposals that are going to be announced during the last week of June.A secret recording of Merkel telling Hollande how the weak British succumbed to their order and charm?
Axionknight said:
don4l said:
I think it would be a game changer if someone were to leak the list of proposals that are going to be announced during the last week of June.
Tell us more.///ajd said:
FiF said:
Groundhog day, yet certain people continue to wonder why they get repeatedly accused of making things up, or why they get laughed at for demanding certainty and detailed route maps for certain issues, whilst blatantly ignoring the uncertainty and no details on their own account.
It is not a wonder.- the remain side get accused of making things up as the fundamental points made cannot be challenged. e.g. £4000 based on a 3-5% GDP dip! You made it up!!!! Well, its a forecast - where 95+% of economists agree GDP would be hit.
- they get laughed at and mocked for the same reason. no answer, so just mock. worked for salmond for ages. etc.
It is what the side with holes in its bucket resorts to when the game is up.
"The regulatory regime imposed by the EU benefits product sectors more than service sectors. In the UK, 78.5 per cent is in services, 21 per cent of GDP is in manufacturing and 0.7 per cent in agriculture. We are bound by inflexible legislation and more is on its way. Property law and company law is to be harmonised across Europe. EU regulations apply to 100 per cent of UK businesses yet only five per cent of SMEs trade with the EU.
The commission has proposed taxes are harmonised across Europe, increasing inflexibility. VAT is already a European tax, replacing the former purchase tax. For example, the EU prevents us from exempting sanitary products and requires us to raise VAT on solar panels. With different rates on different goods and services tax returns for exporting businesses is complex. Competition is badly affected.
Government procurement contracts have to be offered to businesses across Europe; UK businesses cannot be prioritised for UK deals, and the bidding process is often far too complex for SMEs. At the same time the UK is unable to enter into its own national trade agreements outside the EU as it is an exclusive EU “competence”.
EU State Aid rules impact what financial help we can give to businesses such as our steel industry. We have already been challenged on our Enterprise Investment Scheme which provides tax relief to those investing in small businesses. While capital adequacy changes have made banks less willing to invest in small businesses, the government’s scheme to help has been deemed state aid.
The Five Presidents’ Report also looks to harmonise our finance and banking system to the potential detriment of UK financial services, a key part of our national productivity".
So status quo plus I would Say!
Source Fresh Start Conservative Home today.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The EU keeps on referring to the UK as wanting, and having `special treatment' Too F*cking right we do, if by special treatment that means we want fair treatment, and recognition that the UK is the second largest net contributor into EU coffers, helping to keep the whole corrupt mess going.
I cannot understand why the UK does not have the same, or almost the same influence in how the EU is run, and where it will go as Germany?
The `He who pays the piper call the tune' saying clearly works for Germany, but clearly not for the UK???
Because we don't elect people who engage with the political process in the European Parliament. Our interests aren't being served by farage and UKIP (and Daniel hannan has a similarly dismal attendance record on votes).I cannot understand why the UK does not have the same, or almost the same influence in how the EU is run, and where it will go as Germany?
The `He who pays the piper call the tune' saying clearly works for Germany, but clearly not for the UK???
If you were being cynical you could say that they are deliberately absent in order to give us less influence and strengthen the strength of leave as 'the eu keeps overruling us'. But I just think they've figured out they can be lazy and absent and still claim the expenses etc under the pretence of 'undermining from within'.
cookie118 said:
Because we don't elect people who engage with the political process in the European Parliament. Our interests aren't being served by farage and UKIP (and Daniel hannan has a similarly dismal attendance record on votes).
If you were being cynical you could say that they are deliberately absent in order to give us less influence and strengthen the strength of leave as 'the eu keeps overruling us'. But I just think they've figured out they can be lazy and absent and still claim the expenses etc under the pretence of 'undermining from within'.
As a committed anti-EU person, that's exactly what I want from them. I don't want them representing me in the EU!If you were being cynical you could say that they are deliberately absent in order to give us less influence and strengthen the strength of leave as 'the eu keeps overruling us'. But I just think they've figured out they can be lazy and absent and still claim the expenses etc under the pretence of 'undermining from within'.
Puggit said:
As a committed anti-EU person, that's exactly what I want from them. I don't want them representing me in the EU!
But you complain about the eu overruling us when we send people who attend <5% of meetings held by a committee debating an area important to us.And we elect people who don't turn up to 1/3 rd of the votes.
How is the eu supposed to listen to us if our elected voices aren't there!!
cookie118 said:
Because we don't elect people who engage with the political process in the European Parliament. Our interests aren't being served by farage and UKIP (and Daniel hannan has a similarly dismal attendance record on votes).
If you were being cynical you could say that they are deliberately absent in order to give us less influence and strengthen the strength of leave as 'the eu keeps overruling us'. But I just think they've figured out they can be lazy and absent and still claim the expenses etc under the pretence of 'undermining from within'.
So you want people who turn up to meetings even though they have no power ?If you were being cynical you could say that they are deliberately absent in order to give us less influence and strengthen the strength of leave as 'the eu keeps overruling us'. But I just think they've figured out they can be lazy and absent and still claim the expenses etc under the pretence of 'undermining from within'.
You do understand what UKIP stands for ? This is democracy at work, you may not like it, understandable if you support the EU.
cookie118 said:
But you complain about the eu overruling us when we send people who attend <5% of meetings held by a committee debating an area important to us.
And we elect people who don't turn up to 1/3 rd of the votes.
How is the eu supposed to listen to us if our elected voices aren't there!!
Fortunately we can vote out our underperforming representatives if we want to, just like we can those with real power in the EU, can't we....... Oh, just a minute.... And we elect people who don't turn up to 1/3 rd of the votes.
How is the eu supposed to listen to us if our elected voices aren't there!!
cookie118 said:
Puggit said:
As a committed anti-EU person, that's exactly what I want from them. I don't want them representing me in the EU!
But you complain about the eu overruling us when we send people who attend <5% of meetings held by a committee debating an area important to us.And we elect people who don't turn up to 1/3 rd of the votes.
How is the eu supposed to listen to us if our elected voices aren't there!!
cookie118 said:
But you complain about the eu overruling us when we send people who attend <5% of meetings held by a committee debating an area important to us.
And we elect people who don't turn up to 1/3 rd of the votes.
How is the eu supposed to listen to us if our elected voices aren't there!!
You might have a point if the elected part actually had any executive power. And we elect people who don't turn up to 1/3 rd of the votes.
How is the eu supposed to listen to us if our elected voices aren't there!!
PRTVR said:
So you want people who turn up to meetings even though they have no power ?
You do understand what UKIP stands for ? This is democracy at work, you may not like it, understandable if you support the EU.
It might as well be the UK Indolent Party given the amount of work they do for us.You do understand what UKIP stands for ? This is democracy at work, you may not like it, understandable if you support the EU.
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