The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

An excellent point. Yet still he is defended to his last - completely ineffective - tantrum.

Farage : "rompey - who are you?"

EU 1 : "crickey, you'd have though he'd have looked some stuff up before he came? What does he want?"
EU 2 : "no idea, just keeps throwing toys of of his cot"

Farage : "hey fritz, watch me spit my dummy!"

EU1 : "what policy does that imply?"
EU2 : "no idea, it seems influence is not his strong suit here in the EU"

Amazing how some think this charade is 'good'. Its like celebrating being a bit dim.

It's proving tricky to find the above transcript anywhere other than your post, you didn't make it up by any chance so you could argue against something fictitious rather than reality?

Also you might have looked some stuff up, e.g. Rompuy.

[don4l]

Sam All said:

Since it is the EU that is at heart of this, we should have had Juncker in a TV debate - he will convince us.

That is actually a brilliant idea!

Juncker is so full of himself that he would probably accept an invitation to directly address the British people.

While we are at it, we could also invite Martin Schulz, and Jose Barosso.

They would, however, have to limit their speeches to 60 minutes. I might dislike the traitors who would vote to give away Britain's sovereignty, but even I wouldn't wish that they suffer any more than an hour of listening to these boring, failed, charismaless politicians, who rule our lives.


ETA, TB just reminded me of Rompuy. We need him to address the British people. I am sure that he will be the most convincing of the lot of them.

Edited by don4l on Tuesday 31st May 19:38

[Cobalt Blue]

turbobloke said:

It's proving tricky to find the above transcript anywhere other than your post, you didn't make it up by any chance so you could argue against something fictitious rather than reality?

Also you might have looked some stuff up, e.g. Rompuy.

How many know that Farage was 'fined' almost 3000 euros for telling van Rompoy to his face that he "had the charisma of a wet dishcloth"?

I just made this, so no probs if you want to share - or plaster the town with them!

[turbobloke]

Cobalt Blue said:

How many know that Farage was 'fined' almost 3000 euros for telling van Rompoy to his face that he "had the charisma of a wet dishcloth"?

Cobalt Blue said:

I just made this, so no probs if you want to share - or plaster the town with them!

[vonuber]

Isn't that a breach of copyright? Although the EU dastardly extended exemptions for Research, Education, Libraries and Archives, Disability, and Public Administration.
What scumbags.

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Where does this sudden concern for the fishermen come from?

Anyone who gives a damn about the fishermen will be voting out.

For a remainer to bring the fishermen into the discussion stinks of total hypocrisy.

Basically because it encompasses many aspects of our relationship with the eu and the fact that I think we can change the way the eu works if we engage (note this doesn't mean integrate or anything else-just using the current set up to achieve what we want from it rather than just being absent). Even I believe Marta andreason said that not engaging is not helpful to the uk!

For me-for UKIP/leave to be using fishermen in their political material stinks of total hypocrisy given farage's lack of effort both in and out of the eu to advocate for them. (Don't forget in the general election he didn't sign a pledge to advocate for more fishing quota for those fishermen-every other candidate did!)

[mondeoman]

turbobloke said:

Following a post by Number 46 in the Brexit Poll thread:

News item on the latest poll said:

The pound plunged in value today after a poll showed the Leave camp has taken the lead in the EU referendum .

Voters were backing Brexit by 52 to 48 points in both an internet and telephone poll conducted by ICM for the Guardian.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pound-falls-after-shock-poll-8089662

Surely that should be SHOCK POLL! SHOCK POLL!

http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/news/15476/weekly-gbp-eur-usd-pound-euro-us-dollar-exchange-rate-news-and-future-forecast-outlook.html

article said:

"British Pound To Euro Exchange Rate Forecast: Sterling Recovers, GBP Hits Best 1.32 EUR"

[FiF]

turbobloke said:

///ajd said:

An excellent point. Yet still he is defended to his last - completely ineffective - tantrum.

Farage : "rompey - who are you?"

EU 1 : "crickey, you'd have though he'd have looked some stuff up before he came? What does he want?"
EU 2 : "no idea, just keeps throwing toys of of his cot"

Farage : "hey fritz, watch me spit my dummy!"

EU1 : "what policy does that imply?"
EU2 : "no idea, it seems influence is not his strong suit here in the EU"

Amazing how some think this charade is 'good'. Its like celebrating being a bit dim.

It's proving tricky to find the above transcript anywhere other than your post, you didn't make it up by any chance so you could argue against something fictitious rather than reality?

Also you might have looked some stuff up, e.g. Rompuy.

Surely some mistake TB, making stuff up in order to argue against it. Surely that is the essence of being a bit dim. Comedy gold. I think that's the standard phrase around these parts.

[don4l]

cookie118 said:

don4l said:

Where does this sudden concern for the fishermen come from?

Anyone who gives a damn about the fishermen will be voting out.

For a remainer to bring the fishermen into the discussion stinks of total hypocrisy.

Basically because it encompasses many aspects of our relationship with the eu and the fact that I think we can change the way the eu works if we engage (note this doesn't mean integrate or anything else-just using the current set up to achieve what we want from it rather than just being absent). Even I believe Marta andreason said that not engaging is not helpful to the uk!

For me-for UKIP/leave to be using fishermen in their political material stinks of total hypocrisy given farage's lack of effort both in and out of the eu to advocate for them. (Don't forget in the general election he didn't sign a pledge to advocate for more fishing quota for those fishermen-every other candidate did!)

For God's sake, you clearly know nothing at all about the history of Britain's accession to the EEC.

Heath lied to parliament when he claimed that our fisheries would be protected. We know that he lied because Norway, who had the same offer on the table, rejected it.

http://campaignforanindependentbritain.org.uk/wp-c...

There are many other sites on the internet that describe this disgraceful abandonment of the British fishermen. Use Google and you might be able to make a post where you actually know what you are talking about.

In the meantime, please stop using the 31,000 people who lost their jobs for your own purposes.

I want to take action to restore their jobs, whereas you want to keep them unemployed in perpetuity.

The CFP was introduced at the very last moment in a deliberate ploy to screw Britain. The rest of Europe correctly assumed that Heath would not face the humiliation that would accompany a u-turn.

[dandarez]

Cobalt Blue said:

turbobloke said:

It's proving tricky to find the above transcript anywhere other than your post, you didn't make it up by any chance so you could argue against something fictitious rather than reality?

Also you might have looked some stuff up, e.g. Rompuy.

How many know that Farage was 'fined' almost 3000 euros for telling van Rompoy to his face that he "had the charisma of a wet dishcloth"?

I just made this, so no probs if you want to share - or plaster the town with them!

Funny that, the fine, I was going to post it up at the time, but I really thought it was a wind-up.
F. the EU. By the way, it was the '...charisma of a damp rag' (much better sounding than 'wet dishcloth').

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

In the meantime, please stop using the 31,000 people who lost their jobs for your own purposes.

That's a bit rich-considering farage was in a position for many years to at least advocate for fishermen and didn't-then uses them for his own political purposes. Maybe you should put that to him!

And I don't think I've ever said we should stay in the eu to protect fishing jobs. I've said that we should try and at least engage with the eu on issues rather than not-and using the issue of farage and his position on the fisheries committee and absence of votes to make it.

[KrissKross]

cookie118 said:

I've said that we should try and at least engage with the eu

Another 40 years should just about do it.

[wc98]

cookie118 said:

Basically because it encompasses many aspects of our relationship with the eu and the fact that I think we can change the way the eu works if we engage (note this doesn't mean integrate or anything else-just using the current set up to achieve what we want from it rather than just being absent). Even I believe Marta andreason said that not engaging is not helpful to the uk!

For me-for UKIP/leave to be using fishermen in their political material stinks of total hypocrisy given farage's lack of effort both in and out of the eu to advocate for them. (Don't forget in the general election he didn't sign a pledge to advocate for more fishing quota for those fishermen-every other candidate did!)

there is a very good reason farage's presence at the fisheries meetings would be a waste of time,or two of them, the french and spanish rule the roost.
as for reform, if nigh on 40 years of throwing back in excess of half a million tonnes of perfectly saleable fish every year has not led to reform, i think it unlikely it will ever change.

there is actually a push on to clear out the small scale "artisanal" fishermen, in the uk this is the under ten fleet,as the administration costs are high compared to what the legislators can make from them . the eu has shaped legislation that has made it easier for the big boys to buy up quota squeezing the small scale operators even more. market forces you may say, and you may be right. the big problem is the smaller operators rely on a sustainable fishery and work to that end. the big boys can just move from area to area or on to different species when they over fish certain stocks as they have the financial clout to do so.

don't get me wrong, major reform of the regs is required at uk level to end things like slipper skippers. people or companies that own quota and either do not fish anymore or have never fished. all they do is rent the quota or sell it for doing nothing. this leads to working boats paying the same or higher price for quota as they get for fish at market. they do this to avoid even higher levels of discards than we currently see.

[John145]

cookie118 said:

don4l said:

In the meantime, please stop using the 31,000 people who lost their jobs for your own purposes.

That's a bit rich-considering farage was in a position for many years to at least advocate for fishermen and didn't-then uses them for his own political purposes. Maybe you should put that to him!

And I don't think I've ever said we should stay in the eu to protect fishing jobs. I've said that we should try and at least engage with the eu on issues rather than not-and using the issue of farage and his position on the fisheries committee and absence of votes to make it.

Please advise what mechanism was available to protect those jobs.

Once you realise it is none - please accept the eu is anti-dmocratic and vote leave.

[johnxjsc1985]

[quote=wc98]
there is a very good reason farage's presence at the fisheries meetings would be a waste of time,or two of them, the french and spanish rule the roost.
as for reform, if nigh on 40 years of throwing back in excess of half a million tonnes of perfectly saleable fish every year has not led to reform, i think it unlikely it will ever change.
"quote]
It hardly ever gets a mention and whilst we are using food banks during hard times throwing away perfectly good food is a crime.
Fishermen have a vested interest in keeping stocks at a decent level if they over fish they will lose everything.
We have lost most of our fishing fleet over these past 40 years and it often appears we are the only Country that enforces the EU laws.

[PRTVR]

cookie118 said:

don4l said:

In the meantime, please stop using the 31,000 people who lost their jobs for your own purposes.

That's a bit rich-considering farage was in a position for many years to at least advocate for fishermen and didn't-then uses them for his own political purposes. Maybe you should put that to him!

And I don't think I've ever said we should stay in the eu to protect fishing jobs. I've said that we should try and at least engage with the eu on issues rather than not-and using the issue of farage and his position on the fisheries committee and absence of votes to make it.

Let's take your scenario, NF goes into a meeting on fishing, how is he going to get a better deal for the UK? Do you honestly believe that Spain, Portugal and the rest who have access to our waters are just going to roll over ? Do you think they will give up their fishing fleets for us, there are fights worth having and there ones that are a waste of time, this I believe is the latter.

[wc98]

don4l said:

The CFP was introduced at the very last moment in a deliberate ploy to screw Britain. The rest of Europe correctly assumed that Heath would not face the humiliation that would accompany a u-turn.

that is the essence of it don4l. there is actually nothing in "common" with the fisheries policy. it is an endless barter of self interest more often than not going against scientific advice on stock levels, though to be fair the international council for the exploration of the seas people doing the stock assessments have been about as accurate as the climate science lot in recent years,underestimating many of the major species stocks by up to 400% due to poor survey methods and the increasing use of models not fit for purpose (did i mention climate science .

we are a long , long way down the road of trying to reform fisheries policy. the latest nonsense regarding the cessation of discards highlights just how bloody useless the commission is , in fact how stupid the individuals are that think that burying valuable food in landfill or sending it to be processed for fish meal at about 5% of the cost it would achieve on the open market is actually a sensible solution to the problem. utter mind blowing madness.

there are people in the industry that think the sole aim is to completely destroy what remains of the uk fleet to make life even easier for the rest of the eu fleet, and of course with the largest part of that fleet being based in the southern eu countries it would be yet another way to bolster their failing finances . that is the opinion of a friend of mine that used to represent one of the french commercial groups in eu dealings.

[Einion Yrth]

johnxjsc1985]c98 said:

it often appears we are the only Country that enforces the EU laws.

The "gold plating" of EU directives, by our "Civil" "service" has been noted; stay or remain there are plainly those with power inconsistent with their elected status that need bringing down a peg or two.

Won't happen, mind.

[anonymous-user]

PRTVR said:

Let's take your scenario, NF goes into a meeting on fishing, how is he going to get a better deal for the UK? Do you honestly believe that Spain, Portugal and the rest who have access to our waters are just going to roll over ? Do you think they will give up their fishing fleets for us, there are fights worth having and there ones that are a waste of time, this I believe is the latter.

We'll never know though-farage never went.

Had he gone to the meetings and voted in the votes and said there is nothing we can do about our fisheries in the eu then I could accept it.

Apparently the eu just walks all over us and you are saying that we should..let them walk all over us??

Anyway I think I've said my piece on this and I'll leave it there.

Edit-Actually one more thing because I'm annoying
Is there actually a guarantee that we'd be free of the fisheries legislation if we leave?

In many cases with trade leave are advocating that 'the current arrangements would remain' and with Spain and Portugal so keen to keep access-to quote prtvr 'do you think they will just roll over'??

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 31st May 20:51

[Cobalt Blue]

cookie118 said:

Apparently the eu just walks all over us and you are saying that we should..let them walk all over us??

I remember reading in the Spanish press a couple of years ago, that the EU had invested 1.7 billion to 'modernise and expand' the Spanish fishing fleet. Then, some time later, that the Spanish quota for certain fish species had been increased by 150%. This at a time when UK fishermen were burning their boats.

Unfortunately, due to a prolonged 'senior moment' I cannot recall the publications involved and I'm not completely sure of the funding amount -perhaps some Spanish peeps on here can offer clarity? What I am sure of, however,is that the basic story is correct,even if the details are a bit vague.

I clearly remember thinking at the time that this was the most treasonable act any British representative could allow to pass un-reported.