The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[s2art]

Strocky said:

s2art said:

LOL. There no chance whatsoever that Scotland would vote to leave the UK when we are not in the EU. None whatsoever.

Maybe, but whose to say Scotland will be out of the EU even when England & Wales are?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-scottis...

That is fantasy. Scotland, unlike Denmark, was never in the EU. If Scotland seceded, like Greenland, it would not be in the EU and would have to apply to join. And it would not meet the joining criteria.

[tarnished]

s2art said:

That is fantasy. Scotland, unlike Denmark, was never in the EU. If Scotland seceded, like Greenland, it would not be in the EU and would have to apply to join. And it would not meet the joining criteria.

Heard this a couple of times and it sounds like a key factor keeping the Union together. Out of interest, which criteria are they most likely not to meet?

[PurpleMoonlight]

s2art said:

That is fantasy. Scotland, unlike Denmark, was never in the EU. If Scotland seceded, like Greenland, it would not be in the EU and would have to apply to join. And it would not meet the joining criteria.

Can you tell that silly bint in Scotland that please.

[wc98]

tarnished said:

s2art said:

That is fantasy. Scotland, unlike Denmark, was never in the EU. If Scotland seceded, like Greenland, it would not be in the EU and would have to apply to join. And it would not meet the joining criteria.

Heard this a couple of times and it sounds like a key factor keeping the Union together. Out of interest, which criteria are they most likely not to meet?

macroeconomic stability (including price stability, sustainable public finances and external accounts);
haven't checked any further, but the sustainable public finances punts it right out the window.
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/international/...

[confused_buyer]

tarnished said:

Heard this a couple of times and it sounds like a key factor keeping the Union together. Out of interest, which criteria are they most likely not to meet?

The massive, huge, gaping, billions of budget deficit to start with.

That's before we get to not having a Central Bank, a currency etc.

[tarnished]

Thanks both.

[s2art]

wc98 said:

tarnished said:

s2art said:

That is fantasy. Scotland, unlike Denmark, was never in the EU. If Scotland seceded, like Greenland, it would not be in the EU and would have to apply to join. And it would not meet the joining criteria.

Heard this a couple of times and it sounds like a key factor keeping the Union together. Out of interest, which criteria are they most likely not to meet?

macroeconomic stability (including price stability, sustainable public finances and external accounts);
haven't checked any further, but the sustainable public finances punts it right out the window.
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/international/...

At a minimum Scotland would need a central bank and its own currency. Then it would need time to build up a track record. Greece got away with a con, thanks to GS. Dont think anyone else will get away with it after that.

[confused_buyer]

I think another thing to bear in mind with Scotland is that rUK probably wouldn't be as patient this time.

There is indy fatigue and if Scotland were to go for it again I think rUK would play serious hardball - particular if they did it during protracted and difficult EU negotiations.

There is no reason, for example, why rUK - if rUK does not accept free movement from the EU - rUK would have to accept free movement of people from Scotland (if it were an EU member).

Last time out Scots were offered joint or a choice of nationality in the event of exit. There is no reason to assume this would happen again were Scotland to propose being independent in the EU and the UK out of the EU.

[confused_buyer]

s2art said:

At a minimum Scotland would need a central bank and its own currency. Then it would need time to build up a track record. Greece got away with a con, thanks to GS. Dont think anyone else will get away with it after that.

I think that is a good question to ask. If, were it to apply today in it's current state, Greece would be admitted as a member.

If the answer is "no" there is no real good reason to think Scotland would be either. Scotland's potential budget deficit is far higher than that of Greece.

[plasticpig]

s2art said:

Wrong.

Leave campaign proposed an additional £100m
Immigration will be controlled once we exit.
We will invoke article 50 as soon as we have a new PM, nobody stated it would be immediately.

No your wrong.

[Strocky]

Time will tell

As an aside what was the Leave's official stance on EU migrants working and living here?

No change, having to apply to stay under a points system/visa or deported?

[Strocky]

confused_buyer said:

I think another thing to bear in mind with Scotland is that rUK probably wouldn't be as patient this time.

There is indy fatigue and if Scotland were to go for it again I think rUK would play serious hardball - particular if they did it during protracted and difficult EU negotiations.

There is no reason, for example, why rUK - if rUK does not accept free movement from the EU - rUK would have to accept free movement of people from Scotland (if it were an EU member).

Last time out Scots were offered joint or a choice of nationality in the event of exit. There is no reason to assume this would happen again were Scotland to propose being independent in the EU and the UK out of the EU.

I don't think you remember the actual question posed

[LDN]

Read this through... very interesting take on it all:

http://www.sauravdutt.com/blog/brexit


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[Strocky]

LDN said:

Read this through... very interesting take on it all:

http://www.sauravdutt.com/blog/brexit


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Does the uk have plenty of copper?

[Einion Yrth]

LDN said:

Read this through... very interesting take on it all:

http://www.sauravdutt.com/blog/brexit


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I got this far;

article said:

If thousands of UKIP racists have been tricked into voting against the interests of British imperialism then I consider that a bonus.

. That told me all I needed to know about the author. Not helping the debate, such as it is.

[sidicks]

LDN said:

Read this through... very interesting take on it all:

http://www.sauravdutt.com/blog/brexit
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Appears to be a mis-match of leftie nonsense...?

[LDN]

Einion Yrth said:

LDN said:

Read this through... very interesting take on it all:

http://www.sauravdutt.com/blog/brexit


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I got this far;

article said:

If thousands of UKIP racists have been tricked into voting against the interests of British imperialism then I consider that a bonus.

. That told me all I needed to know about the author. Not helping the debate, such as it is.

Get passed that point... he's saying the Leave' voters were not racist UKIP supporters in actuality. He makes some interesting points.

[confused_buyer]

Strocky said:

I don't think you remember the actual question posed

Well, the question posed was regarding Scotland and the EU.

Scotland has several options:

1. Hold a referendum before the UK leaves the EU. As was made clear, by the EU, in 2014 this would mean leaving the EU.
2. Wait until the UK leaves the EU in which case, regardless of whether Scotland eventually leaves the UK or not, it still leaves the EU.

In both scenarios Scotland is leaving the EU.

If independent it could, of course, apply to join as an independent country. It would appear it meets virtually no criteria to be successful in that application. This could also mean cutting its self off from rUK with whom it's economy is totally integrated.

Either way, as far as the EU is concerned, Scotland is stuffed.

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

don4l said:

I am sooo looking forward to seeing that on YouTube. I hope that the camera stays focussed on Schulz's face while he explains our negotiation strategy.

Hannan might have a word to say as well. He will be much more conciliatory, but even more effective.

Are we obliged to give them 2 years notice? Or, is that the maximum?

Maximum once Art50 notice served I believe.

2 years once it is served. You are under no obligation as to when you have to serve it however. Junker can fvck off telling you to get on with it, he should be resigning anyway. It would be perfectly reasonable to enter into exploratory trade talks with any number of countries and organisations prior to serving notice on the EU in your own time.

[minimoog]

don'tbesilly said:

minimoog said:

Burwood said:

good point-the days of the tail wagging the dog are over.

And the days of waving the cock have begun.

I've not seen any cock waving from 'leave' at all.

don4l said:

You stand ready????

Do sod off... tossers!

You have a £65Bn trade surplus with us. Wake up and smell the coffee. We will let you know if, and when we want to "negotiate".

Initially, I was not very happy with Cameron's resignation. I was looking forward to seeing the removal vans next Tuesday.

However, I now hope that he does stay in office until October.

While Cameron is still in office, they have no one to negotiate with. Each day that passes will give them an opportunity to consider the effects of losing a huge contributor. Each day that passes raises the possibility that another country will grant its people the right to express their opinion. Each day that passes gives Volkswagen, Mercedes and BMW another chance to explain to Merkel that she must negotiate a trade deal with the UK.

The fear is palpable, and still they act like they are in charge. What a bunch of utterly clueless gobstes.

The Volkswagen share price fell 5.5% yesterday.

BMW fell 7.5% and is at the same price as 5 years ago.

Daimler (Mercedes) fell 8%.

The French (CAC) stock market fell 8%.

The IBEX (Spain) fell 12%.

The FTSE dropped 3%... to the same level that it was a week ago.


So, Schulz, Junker and Tusk... tell us why we should negotiate? You have until the 25th of June 2018 to come up with a good reason. From June 26th, 10% duty will be applied to all German cars.

Now, do me a favour and sod off. There is some footie on the telly.

You have now. You probably missed it before but it's fully priapic now.