The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[Jockman]

Cobnapint said:

Like they say, poor people have been voting Labour for over one hundred years - and they're still poor.

Not sure that's true.

Relatively speaking, they're probably poorer.

[Jockman]

///ajd said:

losing 1000's of jobs the day after brexit is fantastic?

Good day to bury bad news?

[dandarez]

///ajd said:

don4l said:

Why are you still here?

You lost.

Just accept it.

The rest of us are preparing for a bright future.

A future where Britain can take her rightful place on the world stage. I understand that you traitors do not welcome this prospect.

We will soon be able to negotiate our own trade agreements with countries like India and the USA. We won't be at the back of the queue, because Obama will be out and there will be a republican president.

Thinking about it, I almost feel sorry for the lefties.

For some inexplicable reason they seem outraged by the prospect of Trump becoming president.

We have voted Leave.

Isn't life fantastic?

losing 1000's of jobs the day after brexit is fantastic?

using the traitor word again? after all that happened the week before? really?

You key text like a child. Do you know what a capital letter is?

1000's of jobs lost?

Have you lost your job? One can live in hope!

Let's have a scenario:
Massive company, 130 year history based in another country (from day one).
Decides to shed 2,500 jobs.
Decides to relocate.

...to London.

When was this? Very recently.
Has Brexit caused this company to change its mind?

Try and guess.

[TheRocket]

D-Angle said:

Hugh Jarse said:

turbobloke said:

Einion Yrth said:

Owen Jones said:

This was not a vote on the undeniable lack of accountability and transparency of the European Union.

For me it was, at least; and others I suspect. Just the left failing to understand again.

Agreed.

+1
and the reactionary moron solutions to problems
Refugees in Greece? = Turkey under dictatorship a member
Latins over budget? = Lend unpayable amounts of money
Latins no money even to pay debts? = finally insist on austerity now debts have become impossible
Nobody wants Merkels migrants? = fine each refusal at €250000 per person

These are the responses of unaccountable morons.

Same here, the lack of democracy and accountability, and the complete lack of desire to change that, decided my vote long before this whole thing started. Immigration never even crossed my mind, I was surprised it was such a focal point for the Leave campaign though, surely people who were so inclined were pretty safe Leave votes without being targeted so vehemently?

Yes to the above, except I actually wanted/hoped Cameron to come back with a deal whereby we could stay in but more on our terms, he didn't, the remain campaign did nothing to sell any benefits of the EU, add this to the above and I'm struggling to see why people are upset at the result. There does now need to be some leadership to calm the fears of those who didn't agree with the result, but these same people must accept it, as both sides agreed on one thing while campaigning this is a one off chance and there can be no going back. It is a victory for democracy which ever side you were on.

[Norfolkit]

"In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush"

Well that could be interpreted in several ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Starting to backtrack?

[danllama]

Norfolkit said:

"In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush"

Well that could be interpreted in several ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Starting to backtrack?

Sounds good to me. That's at the very heart of why I voted out!

He took his sweet bloody time to say something the bd!

[davepoth]

Norfolkit said:

"In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush"

Well that could be interpreted in several ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Starting to backtrack?

Depends. It sounds like the negotiating position will be "we want to have our cake and eat it too". Whether the EU is sufficiently panicked to give that to us remains to be seen.

[///ajd]

davepoth said:

Norfolkit said:

"In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush"

Well that could be interpreted in several ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Starting to backtrack?

Depends. It sounds like the negotiating position will be "we want to have our cake and eat it too". Whether the EU is sufficiently panicked to give that to us remains to be seen.

It is hard to read enough into his words.

The key parts are about single market access - which he seems to confirm he knows is key, but the question of tariffs is left a little open. Hopefully his words might sooth the threat of job drain which is currently my biggest worry.

He talks about a points based system but this could either be at odds with the EU or he may have a plan to tweak our existing rights over EU citizens (i.e. ability to deport after x months etc.) and claim a virtual "win" with effectively no change.

The fact that he talks about a "substantial" sum of cash not going to the EU is either just wanting to avoid the dreaded £350m or perhaps a concession that the UK will pay for tariff free access.

This sounds quite like Norway, which would fit with Hannans words.

[Norfolkit]

danllama said:

Norfolkit said:

"In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush"

Well that could be interpreted in several ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Starting to backtrack?

Sounds good to me. That's at the very heart of why I voted out!

He took his sweet bloody time to say something the bd!

Depends on what's agreed but in principle I wouldn't be against that (of course Cameron could have saved a whole world of st and done the job properly in the first place).

[pingu393]

davepoth said:

Norfolkit said:

"In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush"

Well that could be interpreted in several ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Starting to backtrack?

Depends. It sounds like the negotiating position will be "we want to have our cake and eat it too". Whether the EU is sufficiently panicked to give that to us remains to be seen.

Is that not everybody's OPENING negotiating position? I'm certain that it would be mine.

Let them sweat. They seem to be in a bigger rush than us. They have blinked first, despite us having a broken rudder.

[Burwood]

pingu393 said:

davepoth said:

Norfolkit said:

"In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush"

Well that could be interpreted in several ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Starting to backtrack?

Depends. It sounds like the negotiating position will be "we want to have our cake and eat it too". Whether the EU is sufficiently panicked to give that to us remains to be seen.

Is that not everybody's OPENING negotiating position? I'm certain that it would be mine.

Let them sweat. They seem to be in a bigger rush than us. They have blinked first, despite us having a broken rudder.

It sounds to me like discussions took place a while ago. Boris sounds like he speaks with some authority. This position I would be a great outcome

[don4l]

Osborne has just popped up on Radio 4.

He was wittering on about dealing with the "challenges that our country now faces".

I would really prefer that we had a chancellor that was willing to take advantage of the opportunities that now lie before us.

This is the bloody eejit who was promising an emergency £32Bn budget just 5 days ago!


The man has no credibility at all, and should go within the hour.

[minimoog]

don4l said:

The man has no credibility at all, and should go within the hour.

You ridiculous plum

[zygalski]

minimoog said:

don4l said:

The man has no credibility at all, and should go within the hour.

You ridiculous plum

It was Don's effort at calming the markets. Leave him alone.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

It is worth watching this, it was posted a while back, but it becomes much more important now, with the vote. Flexcit the movie, explains where we are now, and where we can go, and the limitations imposed on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfEo_TNllk4

[turbobloke]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

It is worth watching this, it was posted a while back, but it becomes much more important now, with the vote. Flexcit the movie, explains where we are now, and where we can go, and the limitations imposed on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfEo_TNllk4

[Murph7355]

don4l said:

Osborne has just popped up on Radio 4.

He was wittering on about dealing with the "challenges that our country now faces".

I would really prefer that we had a chancellor that was willing to take advantage of the opportunities that now lie before us.

This is the bloody eejit who was promising an emergency £32Bn budget just 5 days ago!

The man has no credibility at all, and should go within the hour.

I don't think removing him at this stage would be a wise idea, much as I think he was stupid, and pretty much incompetent during the campaign.

I really, really don't understand why he and Cameron took the position they did during campaigning. They should have come back with the "deal" and then let the people decide without plunging the depths they did. They were setting themselves up for a fall. I don't see any need for doing what they did. Corbyn's approach was a lot more sensible.

After it didn't go their way, I'd have much sooner they stayed in post and appointed a negotiating team to cover the exit. Once that's done, then stand down if required.

I suspect he won't be in post once the new leader comes in. But until that time what he needs to do know is show that he has some fight in him, and fight for what the people of this country voted for. A bit of humility around the campaign rather than excuses would go a long way on that front.

[mattmurdock]

Murph7355 said:

I really, really don't understand why he and Cameron took the position they did during campaigning.

Perhaps they took that position because the really believed it was the best thing for the country, regardless of any personal implications?

After all, many leavers are stating they voted on the thing they really believed was the best thing for the country, regardless of any personal implications - if we are to believe they have conviction, why not Cameron and Osbourne? Indeed, Cameron showed the depths of his conviction by resigning.

[Esseesse]

Cameron/Osborne could help calm markets etc by apologising for the absolute bks they were coming out with during the campaigning.

[johnxjsc1985]

Esseesse said:

Cameron/Osborne could help calm markets etc by apologising for the absolute bks they were coming out with during the campaigning.

Considering he is the PM he didn't seem to understand the British Public do not like being shouted at or being taken for idiots. there was no debate from the campaigners just shouting at each other.
The talk of negotiation after the vote was dismissed but there seems to be some discussion about "associate" members.