The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[fatboy18]

Mr_B said:

Farage is going to be speaking in a few mins at the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nwKX6LrC4

Just Brilliant

[don4l]

Mr_B said:

Farage is going to be speaking in a few mins at the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nwKX6LrC4

Thanks for the link.

I don't think that I have ever seen the European parliament so packed.

Junker is sounding bitter.

[Tycho]

Sam All said:

FiF said:

Farage couldn't resist some cheap shots either, which reinforces my attitude that his behaviour has been and continues to be unstatesmanlike.

However the response and heckling from the assembly to the request for a grown up pragmatic discussion on the way forward just reinforces my belief that the decision last Thursday was the correct one.

I am more concerned by the behaviour of Juncker - he is the top man at he EU.

Exactly, he is now in fingers in ears, not listening mode. He's calling people who are concerned about their nationalism, anti-EU. Frightening how someone like this rose to power.

[MarshPhantom]

plasticpig said:

don4l said:

For who, then?

Really, nobody thought that the NHS was going to get £350m a week. That is just plain silly.

I know at least one person who voted leave due to that promise. If it is plain silly why did the leave campaign have a bloody great big poster printed up proclaiming it?



Both the leave and remain campaign lied. But the leave campaign won so they need to be held to account for their lies. It would be the same for the remain campaign if they had won.

It's been splattered all over the Leave campaign bus since day 1. As Don has now admitted only an idiot would believe that. Just an aspiration and all that.

[Zod]

boxxob said:

Zod said:

The principal risk was under-delivery. That risk has now increased. Capital markets regulation in the EU is heavily based on UK practice that has developed over a very long time. There are, of course, aspects that reflect practice in other jurisdictions, particularly France and Germany, but we have tended to ignore those. The risk for the future is that EU regulation diverges from UK practice and that we are obliged to follow, either because we are in the single market or because we need to demonstrate equivalence in order to sell into the EU.

ah, thanks. Does this mean: that whilst in the EU, and these projects, not only were we able to encourage or oblige EU practice to align with our own, but we were able to keep both closely aligned to international practices? Do you know what the CMU project timetable is? I searched and still wasn't clear if it was something which was currently active (if not for all members, and enforced by laws)?

There's no fixed timetable, but he new Prospectus Regulation is due to be finalised next year. It's a lot less ambitious than the first draft, but mostly good.

[FiF]

Tycho said:

Sam All said:

FiF said:

Farage couldn't resist some cheap shots either, which reinforces my attitude that his behaviour has been and continues to be unstatesmanlike.

However the response and heckling from the assembly to the request for a grown up pragmatic discussion on the way forward just reinforces my belief that the decision last Thursday was the correct one.

I am more concerned by the behaviour of Juncker - he is the top man at he EU.

Exactly, he is now in fingers in ears, not listening mode. He's calling people who are concerned about their nationalism, anti-EU. Frightening how someone like this rose to power.

Tbh late to the party and didn't see JCJ's input, though can imagine. Have to look later.

[don4l]

Junker, the chicken, is leaving before Farage speaks.

Still, we will get to see Schulz's face during Nigel's little chat.

Is Hannan there?

[Crafty_]

Mr_B said:

Farage is going to be speaking in a few mins at the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nwKX6LrC4

He told then to act like responsible grown up adults. That's a fking laugh if ever I heard it.

[don4l]

Well, that was a disappointment.

He didn't even take the knife out of the scabbard, yet alone stick it in.

[fizz47]

MarshPhantom said:

It's been splattered all over the Leave campaign bus since day 1. As Don has now admitted only an idiot would believe that. Just an aspiration and all that.

FFS can we get over this bloody 350m - it does not matter anymore!!!!!!!

Did anyone actually believe this figure and based their vote on it?

Way before the day of the referendum people were saying it was not true so everyone had their chance to make a decision.


It is no different from any politician making promises before an election and not keeping to them after from all sides! No different from Tories claiming they can bring down immigration before the GE - we all know that was a lie..


The point is can we just move on and stop crying about this...

Edited by fizz47 on Tuesday 28th June 10:56

[anonymous-user]

markh1973 said:

So you deny insulting people who were going to vote remain?

You deny repeatedly calling them traitors - including by default WWII veterans who voted remain?

You deny insulting people voting remain by calling them bedwetters?

He can't do that.

[Blue62]

Since the majority of posters on PH were Leavers, I'm keen to know if you will feel let down if the campaign pledge to 'control immigration levels' proves to be false. I understand the current position of Leave is that 'immigration levels cannot be radically reduced by leaving the EU and that fears about immigration did not influence the way people voted.'

Is the second statement one that would cause you to feel let down or misled in any way, or was immigration not a factor in your decision?

[tarnished]

Zod said:

don4l said:

Then again, the remain side tried to tell us that there would be cuts in the NHS if we left. By the end of the campaign you were reduced to claiming that we wouldn't bve spending an extra £350m a week. Have you any idea how utterly pathetic that looks?

You told us that 3.3m people would lose their jobs if we Brexited. Than turned out to be balderdash.

You told us that Britain could have no global influence outside the EU. More Nonsense. We will, as you well know, retake our seat on the WTO and keep our seat on the Security Council.

You told us that the EU had kept the peace in Europe, whereas, as we saw in the former Yugoslavia, it was NATO that kept the peace. The useless EU did nothing at all.

You weren't happy telling all those lies. You then had to heap insults on us. We were told that we were uneducated, lower class, pale and old.

Find me a quote in which I said any of those things. I did not.

Curious. I'd have thought someone who says we have a veto would be able to understand what he means by you told us.

[Einion Yrth]

Immigration was not a factor in my decision.

[With these feet]

Blue62 said:

Since the majority of posters on PH were Leavers, I'm keen to know if you will feel let down if the campaign pledge to 'control immigration levels' proves to be false. I understand the current position of Leave is that 'immigration levels cannot be radically reduced by leaving the EU and that fears about immigration did not influence the way people voted.'

Is the second statement one that would cause you to feel let down or misled in any way, or was immigration not a factor in your decision?

Firstly, the immigration was not a reason for my vote nor the cost. There was so much mud in the water it was difficult to see anything. My vote was on a purely democratic decision. The likes of Juncker should not have the power they are given. Along with the proposed army, euro, ever closer union etc. Trade agreement is one thing, but a USoE is IMO not a good move. I dont feel let down, as I was able to see the mistruth from both sides. Even if they had caught Boris and Farage in bed with a pigs head, I'd still vote the way I did.

[alfie2244]

Blue62 said:

Since the majority of posters on PH were Leavers, I'm keen to know if you will feel let down if the campaign pledge to 'control immigration levels' proves to be false. I understand the current position of Leave is that 'immigration levels cannot be radically reduced by leaving the EU and that fears about immigration did not influence the way people voted.'

Is the second statement one that would cause you to feel let down or misled in any way, or was immigration not a factor in your decision?

Only 1 of many factors for me (Sovereignty being No1).......but let's wait and see what the final outcome is shall we.lots of shenanigans and backsliding to come yet (from all sides).

[FiF]

Blue62 said:

Since the majority of posters on PH were Leavers, I'm keen to know if you will feel let down if the campaign pledge to 'control immigration levels' proves to be false. I understand the current position of Leave is that 'immigration levels cannot be radically reduced by leaving the EU and that fears about immigration did not influence the way people voted.'

Is the second statement one that would cause you to feel let down or misled in any way, or was immigration not a factor in your decision?

Not a factor, campaigned on an exit plan which as firstcstep, and for dome years includes retention of freedom of movement of labour. So not let down, not misled.

[Zod]

tarnished said:

Zod said:

don4l said:

Then again, the remain side tried to tell us that there would be cuts in the NHS if we left. By the end of the campaign you were reduced to claiming that we wouldn't bve spending an extra £350m a week. Have you any idea how utterly pathetic that looks?

You told us that 3.3m people would lose their jobs if we Brexited. Than turned out to be balderdash.

You told us that Britain could have no global influence outside the EU. More Nonsense. We will, as you well know, retake our seat on the WTO and keep our seat on the Security Council.

You told us that the EU had kept the peace in Europe, whereas, as we saw in the former Yugoslavia, it was NATO that kept the peace. The useless EU did nothing at all.

You weren't happy telling all those lies. You then had to heap insults on us. We were told that we were uneducated, lower class, pale and old.

Find me a quote in which I said any of those things. I did not.

Curious. I'd have thought someone who says we have a veto would be able to understand what he means by you told us.

I was asked to make a personal apology.

[MarshPhantom]

fizz47 said:

MarshPhantom said:

It's been splattered all over the Leave campaign bus since day 1. As Don has now admitted only an idiot would believe that. Just an aspiration and all that.

FFS can we get over this bloody 350m - it does not matter anymore!!!!!!!

It doesn't matter to you.

[philv]

Sam All said:

FiF said:

Farage couldn't resist some cheap shots either, which reinforces my attitude that his behaviour has been and continues to be unstatesmanlike.

However the response and heckling from the assembly to the request for a grown up pragmatic discussion on the way forward just reinforces my belief that the decision last Thursday was the correct one.

I am more concerned by the behaviour of Juncker - he is the top man at he EU.

Very childish.
He has taken this very personally.
His comments during the last 6 months would have connived some leavers.