The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[alfie2244]

fatboy18 said:

alfie2244 said:

fatboy18 said:

t most certainly was a contburtating factor.

Apologies as I don't usually comment on spelling but this looks like a classic........ fat fingers?

blast ...beaten to it hehehehe

No I'm Dyslexic and rely on spell check, sadly I got let down with that one Sorry.

No need to apologise......wonderful word you should copyright it

[QuantumTokoloshi]

I agree with this. We can make life very awkward for Mr Juncker and co. currently, If we wanted to, but we do not, unless he decides to go full EU retard. Mutual assured destruction, political style.

Time is on our side, we need to play the article 50 notification very careful, when it suits us best, even if it takes a year or two to do it.

http://order-order.com/2016/06/29/dont-trigger-art...

[johnxjsc1985]

alfie2244 said:

No need to apologise......wonderful word you should copyright it

It could be used to describe our current situation.

[Sam All]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I agree with this. We can make life very awkward for Mr Juncker and co. currently, If we wanted to, but we do not, unless he decides to go full EU retard. Mutual assured destruction, political style.

Time is on our side, we need to play the article 50 notification very careful, when it suits us best, even if it takes a year or two to do it.

http://order-order.com/2016/06/29/dont-trigger-art...

Agreed. Britain & political finessing go together well.

[johnxjsc1985]

Sam All said:

Agreed. Britain & political finessing go together well.

Send Sir Humphrey over there that will keep them tied up in knots for a couple of years.

[Sam All]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Sam All said:

Agreed. Britain & political finessing go together well.

Send Sir Humphrey over there that will keep them tied up in knots for a couple of years.

Boris as Foreign Minister.

[l354uge]

Just realised if Scotland leave the UK to join the EU they'll have no choice to take on euro....

Good luck scots!

Also, Id love to know what this girl thinks democracy is:

[Ste1987]

Something I've recently become concerned about: It seems no one in Parliament has a clue what to do next, wasn't a contingency plan ever drawn up in the event we ever did leave the EU?

[HoHoHo]

l354uge said:

Just realised if Scotland leave the UK to join the EU they'll have no choice to take on euro....

Good luck scots!

Also, Id love to know what this girl thinks democracy is:

Is democracy where you vote and win regardless of the result

[Puggit]

HoHoHo said:

l354uge said:

Just realised if Scotland leave the UK to join the EU they'll have no choice to take on euro....

Good luck scots!

Also, Id love to know what this girl thinks democracy is:

Is democracy where you vote and win regardless of the result

I think what she is saying that her proposed plan of overturning the referendum is not democracy ?

[Tycho]

Ste1987 said:

Something I've recently become concerned about: It seems no one in Parliament has a clue what to do next, wasn't a contingency plan ever drawn up in the event we ever did leave the EU?

Politicians were so sure that we would never vote to leave and were so ingrained in the EU that they never even bothered to think about the possibility of it happening so there is no plan. This is gross incompetence from all parties and at the very least I would have thought that the PM should have instructed the civil service to at least put something together.

[zbc]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I agree with this. We can make life very awkward for Mr Juncker and co. currently, If we wanted to, but we do not, unless he decides to go full EU retard. Mutual assured destruction, political style.

Time is on our side, we need to play the article 50 notification very careful, when it suits us best, even if it takes a year or two to do it.

http://order-order.com/2016/06/29/dont-trigger-art...

I don't really see how we can "make life very awkward for Mr Juncker and co." at least not personally. Guido suggests we could just veto everything but this really wouldn't work. To start with there are plenty of areas now where there is QMV which we just couldn't veto. The worst we could do is to threaten to veto the budget but can you imagine their response? They would find a way to game the system (this is the treacherous EU remember) and so pass a budget of sorts by describing it as an interim budget (do you remember the new constitution that became a treaty to avoid the referendums and then they would blame all and every problem on the UK and any future negotiations would just get harder. We are not negotiating with German car makers but with EU politicians. I'm sure we can hold out until October but after that it will get harder.

[turbobloke]

zbc said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I agree with this. We can make life very awkward for Mr Juncker and co. currently, If we wanted to, but we do not, unless he decides to go full EU retard. Mutual assured destruction, political style.

Time is on our side, we need to play the article 50 notification very careful, when it suits us best, even if it takes a year or two to do it.

http://order-order.com/2016/06/29/dont-trigger-art...

I don't really see how we can "make life very awkward for Mr Juncker and co." at least not personally. Guido suggests we could just veto everything but this really wouldn't work. To start with there are plenty of areas now where there is QMV which we just couldn't veto.

It's doubtful that Guido intended what was said, to refer to issues decided by QMV. The veto can only be applied where a veto is available. On that basis it's possible but EU and UK governments, behind the posturing, aren't as childish as this.

[pingu393]

Tycho said:

Ste1987 said:

Something I've recently become concerned about: It seems no one in Parliament has a clue what to do next, wasn't a contingency plan ever drawn up in the event we ever did leave the EU?

Politicians were so sure that we would never vote to leave and were so ingrained in the EU that they never even bothered to think about the possibility of it happening so there is no plan. This is gross incompetence from all parties and at the very least I would have thought that the PM should have instructed the civil service to at least put something together.

Purdah.

When I was a civil servant, my understanding was that we could discuss it informally, but weren't allowed to formally plan for either eventuality.

This is why things are moving quite swiftly now. It is not a standing start with cold muscles, more a start with warmed up muscles. Formal actions and meetings couldn't take place before Friday.

To use a navigational analogy, on Friday, only the direction of travel would have been known, but not the actual bearing the Government wants to take. There is no point in the Civil Service making detailed plans based on false assumptions.

[Tycho]

pingu393 said:

Tycho said:

Ste1987 said:

Something I've recently become concerned about: It seems no one in Parliament has a clue what to do next, wasn't a contingency plan ever drawn up in the event we ever did leave the EU?

Politicians were so sure that we would never vote to leave and were so ingrained in the EU that they never even bothered to think about the possibility of it happening so there is no plan. This is gross incompetence from all parties and at the very least I would have thought that the PM should have instructed the civil service to at least put something together.

Purdah.

When I was a civil servant, my understanding was that we could discuss it informally, but weren't allowed to formally plan for either eventuality.

This is why things are moving quite swiftly now. It is not a standing start with cold muscles, more a start with warmed up muscles. Formal actions and meetings couldn't take place before Friday.

To use a navigational analogy, on Friday, only the direction of travel would have been known, but not the actual bearing the Government wants to take. There is no point in the Civil Service making detailed plans based on false assumptions.

Thanks for that although I am surprised that there seemed to be nothing even in terms of just saying something reassuring for the markets.

[hidetheelephants]

Tycho said:

Thanks for that although I am surprised that there seemed to be nothing even in terms of just saying something reassuring for the markets.

Carney at the BoE was primed to make calming noises if it all went tits up, which it did when the traders suddenly realised that they were all on the wrong end of the bet. Sterling was due a correction downward anyway.

[Burwood]

Ste1987 said:

Something I've recently become concerned about: It seems no one in Parliament has a clue what to do next, wasn't a contingency plan ever drawn up in the event we ever did leave the EU?

I think they do know what to do-they are just waiting for all the EU piss and vinegar to dry up before getting on with it.

[FiF]

Burwood said:

I think they do know what to do-they are just waiting for all the EU piss and vinegar to dry up before getting on with it.

This ^^^, there might have been a few unexpected speed humps on the way. Like we were assured that Leavers on the losing side would be gnashing and frothing but that Remainers on a losing side would be far more sanguine about the whole business. So clearly with such a divided nation that might alter certain of the factors in what is the perception of the most desirable aim point. Equally a big hiccup in the Cons was obvious, Labour perhaps not so quite as dramatic a flounce.

[Burwood]

FiF said:

Burwood said:

I think they do know what to do-they are just waiting for all the EU piss and vinegar to dry up before getting on with it.

This ^^^, there might have been a few unexpected speed humps on the way. Like we were assured that Leavers on the losing side would be gnashing and frothing but that Remainers on a losing side would be far more sanguine about the whole business. So clearly with such a divided nation that might alter certain of the factors in what is the perception of the most desirable aim point. Equally a big hiccup in the Cons was obvious, Labour perhaps not so quite as dramatic a flounce.

In conjunction with having a chat with some of the disgruntled members about this freedom of movement issue. It is increasingly likely that several other nations will come together to voice their opinion on this point. This may spell the start of the end of EU as we know it, unless reformed.

[FiF]

Burwood said:

In conjunction with having a chat with some of the disgruntled members about this freedom of movement issue. It is increasingly likely that several other nations will come together to voice their opinion on this point. This may spell the start of the end of EU as we know it, unless reformed.

When you've got one of the largest nations, Poland, who are also the one in receipt of the largest aggregate payments, openly critical of the current set in charge to the extent of saying they should be removed, then they've got a problem.

The question mark on the route is that UK is the first, clearly some of the disenchanted nations are going to sit back and keep heads below the parapet in order to learn from our situation and negotiation. Thus it's in the EU interest, at least from the perspective of Juncker et al, to not make things too smooth.

The reality of life is that it is, practicably speaking, in the interests of all to arrange an exit that causes as few waves as possible for both sides.