The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
You missed the important point in the document being talked about now!Where have I heard that before?
In terms of Turkish membership, the document is clear that it should happen as soon as possible.
At one point it outlines the EU’s desire to expand further, calling for a 'credible accession process' for the countries of the Western Balkans and Turkey.
Well, f. well, what do Remainians say about that then?
Sam All said:
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
CMD could have delayed calling the Referendum - what other impending announcements did he know about?Where have I heard that before?
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
CMD could have delayed calling the Referendum - what other impending announcements did he know about?Where have I heard that before?
But seriously if he timed the Referendum to suit the rise of the EU Empire, then he will surpass Tony as the most reviled politician in the UK. I want to think CMD is not that slimy.
dandarez said:
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
You missed the important point in the document being talked about now!Where have I heard that before?
In terms of Turkish membership, the document is clear that it should happen as soon as possible.
At one point it outlines the EU’s desire to expand further, calling for a 'credible accession process' for the countries of the Western Balkans and Turkey.
Well, f. well, what do Remainians say about that then?
I'd also point out that in 10 years the EU and Turkey negotiations have closed 1 of the 35 chapters needed for membership, and have only actually opened discussions on 16 of them (the rest haven't even started yet). Despite the policy of the EU towards expansion, if in 10 years they can only go one step of 35, the likelihood of it happening anytime soon is remote to say the least.
How is it that the leavers think that the remainers have no idea what the purpose of the EU is? How is it that they think these documents are some sort of 'smoking gun' which is going to cause the remainers to recoil in horror?
FFS, wishing something will happen, and it actually happening are two entirely different things.
mattmurdock said:
don'tbesilly said:
The naivety of some leave me perplexed.
Seriously? Because I have looked at the evidence so far, and extrapolated that into the future, that makes me naive?Yet, when people propose complete pie in the sky un-evidenced nonsense, they are the rational ones?
Within days the EU were stating unequivocally that there were no deals to be done.
Merkel/Juncker/Tusk along with others made it quite clear that Single access market would not be possible without the free movement of people, as the Four Freedoms were a founding principle of the European community.
Based on reports emanating from Brussels it looks like a founding and binding principle is likely to have it's knots untied slightly to ensure that some sort of compromise is likely to be reached with the UK on what was firmly believed to be a sacrosanct agreement.
If the EU can bend/amend a founding principle of the union, it's more than feasible that they can bend/amend the rules that dictates a country joining the EU.
Is the above pie in the sky? or is there no evidence in what I've written?
dandarez said:
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
You missed the important point in the document being talked about now!Where have I heard that before?
In terms of Turkish membership, the document is clear that it should happen as soon as possible.
At one point it outlines the EU’s desire to expand further, calling for a 'credible accession process' for the countries of the Western Balkans and Turkey.
Well, f. well, what do Remainians say about that then?
don'tbesilly said:
It was only a week ago we voted out of the EU.
Within days the EU were stating unequivocally that there were no deals to be done.
Merkel/Juncker/Tusk along with others made it quite clear that Single access market would not be possible without the free movement of people, as the Four Freedoms were a founding principle of the European community.
Based on reports emanating from Brussels it looks like a founding and binding principle is likely to have it's knots untied slightly to ensure that some sort of compromise is likely to be reached with the UK on what was firmly believed to be a sacrosanct agreement.
If the EU can bend/amend a founding principle of the union, it's more than feasible that they can bend/amend the rules that dictates a country joining the EU.
Is the above pie in the sky? or is there no evidence in what I've written?
OK, so 27 different heads of state are going to sit there (some of whom are bitterly against Turkey joining the EU) and decide 'you know what, fWithin days the EU were stating unequivocally that there were no deals to be done.
Merkel/Juncker/Tusk along with others made it quite clear that Single access market would not be possible without the free movement of people, as the Four Freedoms were a founding principle of the European community.
Based on reports emanating from Brussels it looks like a founding and binding principle is likely to have it's knots untied slightly to ensure that some sort of compromise is likely to be reached with the UK on what was firmly believed to be a sacrosanct agreement.
If the EU can bend/amend a founding principle of the union, it's more than feasible that they can bend/amend the rules that dictates a country joining the EU.
Is the above pie in the sky? or is there no evidence in what I've written?
k it, let's ignore all of our own rules and just let Turkey join, eh?'.It is just as likely as them all sitting together and saying 'you know what, we're going to be a bit f
ked if Britain leaves and we lose their net contribution, so let's just ignore Article 50 and tell them they can't leave - what are they going to do about it, eh?'.They are not going to bend on free movement - if we say that is non-negotiable, then we are going to get more limited access to the single market in exchange for more limited movement of people. That is the noise emanating from Brussels.
Zod said:
dandarez said:
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
You missed the important point in the document being talked about now!Where have I heard that before?
In terms of Turkish membership, the document is clear that it should happen as soon as possible.
At one point it outlines the EU’s desire to expand further, calling for a 'credible accession process' for the countries of the Western Balkans and Turkey.
Well, f. well, what do Remainians say about that then?
Burwood said:
Zod said:
dandarez said:
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
You missed the important point in the document being talked about now!Where have I heard that before?
In terms of Turkish membership, the document is clear that it should happen as soon as possible.
At one point it outlines the EU’s desire to expand further, calling for a 'credible accession process' for the countries of the Western Balkans and Turkey.
Well, f. well, what do Remainians say about that then?
Zod said:
will bet you £1000 that Turkey is not a member of the EU by 2025.
Will the EU have imploded by then? If Merkel has the hots for Emperor Erdogan, anything is possible. How on earth did a million Migrants/ refugees get access to Europe. And how did Greece secure so much in EU grants/benefits? And did Merkel give the nod to regime change in Greece/Italy?
Burwood said:
Zod said:
dandarez said:
mybrainhurts said:
Now a call, led by Germany, for EU to create an EU army.
Where have I heard that before?
You missed the important point in the document being talked about now!Where have I heard that before?
In terms of Turkish membership, the document is clear that it should happen as soon as possible.
At one point it outlines the EU’s desire to expand further, calling for a 'credible accession process' for the countries of the Western Balkans and Turkey.
Well, f. well, what do Remainians say about that then?
Jockman said:
Would you apply this to economic forecasts too?
OK, so economists studying the market and forecasting ahead based on prior events is exactly the same as a couple of policy wonks writing out a wish list of policy items they think should be implemented by the EU?Perhaps I should try sending my Santa list to the EU, maybe they can make sure I get everything on it, including a new McLaren?
mattmurdock said:
don'tbesilly said:
It was only a week ago we voted out of the EU.
Within days the EU were stating unequivocally that there were no deals to be done.
Merkel/Juncker/Tusk along with others made it quite clear that Single access market would not be possible without the free movement of people, as the Four Freedoms were a founding principle of the European community.
Based on reports emanating from Brussels it looks like a founding and binding principle is likely to have it's knots untied slightly to ensure that some sort of compromise is likely to be reached with the UK on what was firmly believed to be a sacrosanct agreement.
If the EU can bend/amend a founding principle of the union, it's more than feasible that they can bend/amend the rules that dictates a country joining the EU.
Is the above pie in the sky? or is there no evidence in what I've written?
OK, so 27 different heads of state are going to sit there (some of whom are bitterly against Turkey joining the EU) and decide 'you know what, fWithin days the EU were stating unequivocally that there were no deals to be done.
Merkel/Juncker/Tusk along with others made it quite clear that Single access market would not be possible without the free movement of people, as the Four Freedoms were a founding principle of the European community.
Based on reports emanating from Brussels it looks like a founding and binding principle is likely to have it's knots untied slightly to ensure that some sort of compromise is likely to be reached with the UK on what was firmly believed to be a sacrosanct agreement.
If the EU can bend/amend a founding principle of the union, it's more than feasible that they can bend/amend the rules that dictates a country joining the EU.
Is the above pie in the sky? or is there no evidence in what I've written?
k it, let's ignore all of our own rules and just let Turkey join, eh?'.It is just as likely as them all sitting together and saying 'you know what, we're going to be a bit f
ked if Britain leaves and we lose their net contribution, so let's just ignore Article 50 and tell them they can't leave - what are they going to do about it, eh?'.They are not going to bend on free movement - if we say that is non-negotiable, then we are going to get more limited access to the single market in exchange for more limited movement of people. That is the noise emanating from Brussels.
It's no biggy anyway, if as you suggest Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon it's of no consequence to the UK, we're out or will be by the time Turkey get anywhere close to joining.
PS: You're last sentence is a tad contradictory, you seem to indicate they WON'T budge in your first sentence, but if we say no go, they will cave, probably because the 27 heads of state are saying:
'you know what, we're going to be a bit f
ked if Britain leaves and we lose their net contribution'Either way the unbreakable agreement that was talked of last week, is as you have agreed being bent.
Would you agree with any of the above?
Edited by don'tbesilly on Thursday 30th June 16:20
mattmurdock said:
Jockman said:
Would you apply this to economic forecasts too?
OK, so economists studying the market and forecasting ahead based on prior events is exactly the same as a couple of policy wonks writing out a wish list of policy items they think should be implemented by the EU?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff