The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
Jockman said:
turbobloke said:
loafer123 said:
Jockman said:
mybrainhurts said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/684923/Brexit-...
They're fighting among themselves altready...
Which is nice...
Won't the payment we make to trade with the single market simply be similar to our current net contribution, hence there will be no shortfall for the EU?They're fighting among themselves altready...
Which is nice...
The EU and the Germans don't think so, otherwise why the huftytufty over making up a shortfall?
I just don't trust what I read in the Express.
If the article were in your beloved Guardian, TB, I would show more confidence
Me and The Guardian...
mattmurdock said:
This I think is why the leavers often get tarred with the racism and 'little Englander' accusations, because instead of having a sensible discussion about whether the net contribution is really value for money to access the single market and leverage the clout of the EU, or whether the benefits of free movement of people are outweighed by the infrastructure concerns if they all settle in one place, they just bang on about 'unelected bureaucrats taking over' and 'Frau Merkel's fourth reich' and '50 immigrants in one house stealing my children's jobs' and other examples of tin-foil hattery.
It just makes it look like it boils down to 'we don't like Germany because they are telling us what to do'.
By definition you cannot have a "sensible" discussion about paying someone to take even more of your money.It just makes it look like it boils down to 'we don't like Germany because they are telling us what to do'.
We run a huge deficit with the EU.
To consider paying for such a privilege is moronic.
The EU could actually show a profit if they paid us to be in the single market.
You also seem to have forgotten that the EEC was started to deprive Germany of the ability to tell us what to do. We have a lot in common with our European friends in this respect.
chris watton said:
mybrainhurts said:
mattmurdock said:
the EU can reform based on the member states wanting them to, which is surely an argument against the 'unelected bureaucracy' hypothesis.
The EU debated whether to be democratically elected and decided that was a Bad Idea and that the elite, who know better than the electorate on every issue, will not be subject to election.That will never change.
[url]Junker b
h slaps European leaders|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU[/b]You can see him almost sober here:-
Junker tells UK to sod off
Edited by don4l on Thursday 30th June 21:53
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/684923/Brexit-...
They're fighting among themselves altready...
Which is nice...
How can that be, we've been told that the EU is outplaying us, by a Remainian as it happens.They're fighting among themselves altready...
Which is nice...
The quotes must be made up.
Only €1Bn? What an idiot.
These people still don't get it. The shortfall is at least €15Bn. If the Germans think that France and Italy will cough up €14BN, then they have another think coming.
Sam All said:
We should set up a breakaway Union - the Democratic Union of Europe - just a free trade zone.
We could even call it the European Economic Community. After all, that name is not being used by anyone else.We could probably save ourselves a lot of work by taking the original Treaty of Rome, and deleting a bit of the first sentence. We would then have a sensible working document.
Sweden, Denmark, the Czech Republic and Ireland would probably be up for it. I suspect that Poland would be too.
Should we invite Turkey?
On a serious note, I think that you have a very good idea.
I don't think that any of our politicians would have the balls to suggest it.
Edited by don4l on Thursday 30th June 21:55
don4l said:
Sam All said:
We should set up a breakaway Union - the Democratic Union of Europe - just a free trade zone.
We could even call it the European Economic Community. After all, that name is not being used by anyone else.The European Economic Community Except Scotland...
don4l said:
Sam All said:
We should set up a breakaway Union - the Democratic Union of Europe - just a free trade zone.
We could even call it the European Economic Community. After all, that name is not being used by anyone else.We could probably save ourselves a lot of work by taking the original Treaty of Rome, and deleting a bit of the first sentence. We would then have a sensible working document.
Sweden, Denmark, the Czech Republic and Ireland would probably be up for it. I suspect that Poland would be too.
Should we invite Turkey?
On a serious note, I think that you have a very good idea.
I don't think that any of our politicians would have the balls to suggest it.
Edited by don4l on Thursday 30th June 21:55
Well most of 'em, Hollande excepted
This is just what we need now, Tony Blair as the EU negotiator.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/tony-bl...
He is always willing to compromise, as long as someone else is suffering the compromise. The solid brass neck of the man is staggering.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/tony-bl...
He is always willing to compromise, as long as someone else is suffering the compromise. The solid brass neck of the man is staggering.
mybrainhurts said:
English to be ousted as the official language of the EU.
Oh dear, what a bloody shame.
France promoting French with gusto and the threat of garlic breathed over you and snails down your pants if you don't agree.
Carry on...
They should put all the languages in a hat and pull one out and make that the official language. Then repeat the process every Strasburg move.Oh dear, what a bloody shame.
France promoting French with gusto and the threat of garlic breathed over you and snails down your pants if you don't agree.
Carry on...
QuantumTokoloshi said:
This is just what we need now, Tony Blair as the EU negotiator.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/tony-bl...
He is always willing to compromise, as long as someone else is suffering the compromise. The solid brass neck of the man is staggering.
I think it's a great idea. He's a man of experience. Let's face it - it won't be the first time he's saved this country from the brink of Tory disaster http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/tony-bl...
He is always willing to compromise, as long as someone else is suffering the compromise. The solid brass neck of the man is staggering.
hidetheelephants said:
I caught a few minutes of Business Questions on BBC Parliament while scoffing breakfast; apparently an Oz/NZ trade delegation is heading UKward already, so clearly the rest of the world wants things to move quickly even if the EU doesn't.
How does the EU not want things to move quickly? I thought we said we'd need time for a new PM to be in place, time to start informal negotiations etc, whereas the EU have repeatedly asked us to invoke Article 50 ASAP & avoid any informal negotiations. I don't see how even the most frothy-mouthed can suggest the EU are stalling things.grumbledoak said:
The EU wants to move quickly too. It's our own squabbling children that cannot get their act together.
The only thing the EU are interested in is keeping the wheels on the gravy train. The economy and well being of the peoples of Europe is a distant second..... Edited by powerstroke on Friday 1st July 07:31
zygalski said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
This is just what we need now, Tony Blair as the EU negotiator.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/tony-bl...
He is always willing to compromise, as long as someone else is suffering the compromise. The solid brass neck of the man is staggering.
I think it's a great idea. He's a man of experience. Let's face it - it won't be the first time he's saved this country from the brink of Tory disaster http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/tony-bl...
He is always willing to compromise, as long as someone else is suffering the compromise. The solid brass neck of the man is staggering.
Give that man a balloon !!! just don't mention the War or Chillcot
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