The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
Ok, I have just been out leafletting with my Leave.EU leaflets they sent me a while ago.
Several months ago I distributed 300 leaflets through letterboxes, this is the first time I had leafletted anything.
This time I went round and knocked on every door I went to too. If they didn't answer they got a leaflet. If they answered I explained that I was leafletting for the leave side in the coming referendum and may I ask if they had yet decided if they would vote or which way they would vote. I then jotted down the results below. I did not record the don't knows or the no thank you's, I would estimate that there was about the same as the total that told me one way or the other, and I would expect that some didn't know and some didn't want to say (with a weighting towards the opposite of what I was selling).
General comment: Women are less confrontational, and more 'don't know'.
So I did around 100 houses. 18 answerers who gave an opinion one way or the other. 5 In, 13 Out. I'm in North Bedford, the area is not poor but quite ordinary but tidy middle class. Mainly 3 bedroom 1970's semi-detached, some 3/4 bed detached and some bungalows.
Several months ago I distributed 300 leaflets through letterboxes, this is the first time I had leafletted anything.
This time I went round and knocked on every door I went to too. If they didn't answer they got a leaflet. If they answered I explained that I was leafletting for the leave side in the coming referendum and may I ask if they had yet decided if they would vote or which way they would vote. I then jotted down the results below. I did not record the don't knows or the no thank you's, I would estimate that there was about the same as the total that told me one way or the other, and I would expect that some didn't know and some didn't want to say (with a weighting towards the opposite of what I was selling).
General comment: Women are less confrontational, and more 'don't know'.
| Age | Gender | In/Out | Comment |
|---|---|---|---|
| 60 | F | In | Talked to teenage son who was interested but quite clueless, they felt like the kind that might not turn out. |
| 60 | M | Out | "You've got it right." |
| 60 | M | Out | Annoyed looking man just said "No thank you" and closed the door. Quite painful for anyone who has never leafletted. |
| 70 | M | In | Economic reasons. |
| 30 | F | Out (lean) | |
| 80 | M+F | Out | "You're preaching to the converted here." |
| 50 | M | Out | "You're leafletting the right way as well." |
| 45 | F | Out | "Yes, almost certainly leave." |
| 45 | M | In | "My kids are happy with the way things are." |
| 85 | F | Out | Vote leave banners outside, gave me a spare to put up. |
| 45 | M+F | Out | Chatty: "I'm normally a Conservative voter, but Cameron has lost the plot." |
| 30 | F | Out | "We will vote leave." |
| 70 | M | Out | "I'm out mate." |
| 80 | M | Out | Totally and utterly committed to out. The country is ruined. "I can't see any other way" |
| 70 | M | In | "We're staying." |
| 40 | M | In | A clever guy who could be reasoned with but still sided with voting to stay, was happy to chat too. Said that his German employer had written to everyone to urge them to vote to stay in, his clients had done the same too. Said his brother who is in more manual work will vote to leave, seemed to think it was all down to personal circumstances. |
So I did around 100 houses. 18 answerers who gave an opinion one way or the other. 5 In, 13 Out. I'm in North Bedford, the area is not poor but quite ordinary but tidy middle class. Mainly 3 bedroom 1970's semi-detached, some 3/4 bed detached and some bungalows.
Tony427 said:
Robert Peston on the 6.00pm ITN news was less than flattering about the latest round of lies, sorry treasury modelling. Using words like "madness" and "bonkers" to describe the publication and the assumptions the forecasts were built on , this coming from someone who does have credibility to the general public, must have been pretty painful for Cameron et al.
Coupled with all the rubbishing from the Leave camp, and Sturgeon putting her boot in more or less telling everyone that Camerons claims were beyond belief and conterproductive, although surely a leave vote would actually play rather well into her hands, I'm sure the day hasn't gone quite as well as they had planned.
As he was in Buy and Queue I'd describe it as a Botched job.
Perhaps he should have got some professionals in.
Cheers,
Tony
Sturgeon doesn't want a 2nd indy ref right now as the polls don't indicate much change from 2014.Coupled with all the rubbishing from the Leave camp, and Sturgeon putting her boot in more or less telling everyone that Camerons claims were beyond belief and conterproductive, although surely a leave vote would actually play rather well into her hands, I'm sure the day hasn't gone quite as well as they had planned.
As he was in Buy and Queue I'd describe it as a Botched job.
Perhaps he should have got some professionals in.
Cheers,
Tony
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Mr_B said:
Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.
Even if you vote out, how do you have total control? What would stop 'Dave and the likes of Dave' to say 'I like Erdogan, here, free visas for Turks'. As long as there is a veto, and there is not one, but two, regardless of what that fearmongering dimwit says, you are relying on democratically elected to represent your interests. In or out. jjlynn27 said:
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Mr_B said:
Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.
Even if you vote out, how do you have total control? What would stop 'Dave and the likes of Dave' to say 'I like Erdogan, here, free visas for Turks'. As long as there is a veto, and there is not one, but two, regardless of what that fearmongering dimwit says, you are relying on democratically elected to represent your interests. In or out. John Redwood said:
One of the strange things about the Labour leadership is their willingness to support any measure, however bad, if it is a requirement of the EU. Sometimes they put their party on a 3 line whip to vote for it. Other times they let them go home early or discourage them from voting, so Conservative Ministers and the SNP can defeat Eurosceptic Conservative MPs and secure the Euro measure.
Pro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
The UK is governed by a grand pro EU coalitionPro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
Jess Philips being a waste of space, Rees-Mogg wasting his time and abilities : https://youtu.be/g5l4yuf6SH8
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Mr_B said:
Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.
Even if you vote out, how do you have total control? What would stop 'Dave and the likes of Dave' to say 'I like Erdogan, here, free visas for Turks'. As long as there is a veto, and there is not one, but two, regardless of what that fearmongering dimwit says, you are relying on democratically elected to represent your interests. In or out. John Redwood said:
One of the strange things about the Labour leadership is their willingness to support any measure, however bad, if it is a requirement of the EU. Sometimes they put their party on a 3 line whip to vote for it. Other times they let them go home early or discourage them from voting, so Conservative Ministers and the SNP can defeat Eurosceptic Conservative MPs and secure the Euro measure.
Pro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
The UK is governed by a grand pro EU coalitionPro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
CaptainSlow said:
jjlynn27 said:
This thread is going to be pure comedy gold to read on 24th of June.
Not really. I haven't seen any predictions of a Brexit majority. Best guess is the 55/45 to stay in. As a democracy, the people will get what the people deserve.
jjlynn27 said:
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Mr_B said:
Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.
Even if you vote out, how do you have total control? What would stop 'Dave and the likes of Dave' to say 'I like Erdogan, here, free visas for Turks'. As long as there is a veto, and there is not one, but two, regardless of what that fearmongering dimwit says, you are relying on democratically elected to represent your interests. In or out. John Redwood said:
One of the strange things about the Labour leadership is their willingness to support any measure, however bad, if it is a requirement of the EU. Sometimes they put their party on a 3 line whip to vote for it. Other times they let them go home early or discourage them from voting, so Conservative Ministers and the SNP can defeat Eurosceptic Conservative MPs and secure the Euro measure.
Pro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
The UK is governed by a grand pro EU coalitionPro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
If we voted to leave an effective opposition (representative of voters wishes) would stop Dave. While we are in, there is no effective opposition to Dave's pro-EU, pro Turkey joining position and therefore any veto is worthless anyway.
MarkRSi said:
Apologies if this has already been posted/mentioned, but has anyone got a video of this? 
Saw it on the BBC News webiste
GINETTA for LEAVE! then? Must be, can't imagine Tomlinson loaning a Ginetta out for this if he was a stayer. Saw it on the BBC News webisteIf so, 3 Big Cheers Mr Tomlinson!
OUT! OUT! OUT!
Possibly missing something here so put a parrot on standby but "Even if you vote out, how do you have total control?"...Total control isn't the point, whatever the total control refers to. It's not about single issues or total control it's about more control via more decision-making in Westminster rather than Brussels in more policy areas. More, not total or all.
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Esseesse said:
jjlynn27 said:
Mr_B said:
Its quiet clear cut to me. Vote out and have total control , or vote in and be reliant on the likes of Dave and heads of the EU to make the right decisions. I think you can guess which I think is best.
Even if you vote out, how do you have total control? What would stop 'Dave and the likes of Dave' to say 'I like Erdogan, here, free visas for Turks'. As long as there is a veto, and there is not one, but two, regardless of what that fearmongering dimwit says, you are relying on democratically elected to represent your interests. In or out. John Redwood said:
One of the strange things about the Labour leadership is their willingness to support any measure, however bad, if it is a requirement of the EU. Sometimes they put their party on a 3 line whip to vote for it. Other times they let them go home early or discourage them from voting, so Conservative Ministers and the SNP can defeat Eurosceptic Conservative MPs and secure the Euro measure.
Pro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
The UK is governed by a grand pro EU coalitionPro EU people are thankful that Labour behaves “responsibly” in this way. Critics of EU legislation are increasingly angry that the official Opposition in Parliament will not normally oppose anything that has made in Brussels stamped on it. Let’s hope the vote to leave the EU next month changes all this.
If we voted to leave an effective opposition (representative of voters wishes) would stop Dave. While we are in, there is no effective opposition to Dave's pro-EU, pro Turkey joining position and therefore any veto is worthless anyway.
Edited by jjlynn27 on Monday 23 May 22:31
jjlynn27 said:
Let me get this straight; At the moment we have, democratically elected, but in from brexiter position, ineffective opposition. If we vote leave, that same opposition will become effective and be there to stop Dave from giving visas to Turks? Is that what you are saying?
I think our membership of the EU is arguably a good reason for the decline in our domestic politics where the main parties broadly agree on everything.MarkRSi said:
Apologies if this has already been posted/mentioned, but has anyone got a video of this? Saw it on the BBC News webiste
Mark, Saw it on the BBC News webisteHere you are, video you wanted. (30sec crap vid before Ginetta one).
It's Tomlinson doing the driving. Brilliant PR Boris. And great, British company wanting OUT!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boris-johnson...
Tony427 said:
Robert Peston on the 6.00pm ITN news was less than flattering about the latest round of lies, sorry treasury modelling. Using words like "madness" and "bonkers" to describe the publication and the assumptions the forecasts were built on , this coming from someone who does have credibility to the general public, must have been pretty painful for Cameron et al.
Coupled with all the rubbishing from the Leave camp, and Sturgeon putting her boot in more or less telling everyone that Camerons claims were beyond belief and conterproductive, although surely a leave vote would actually play rather well into her hands, I'm sure the day hasn't gone quite as well as they had planned.
As he was in Buy and Queue I'd describe it as a Botched job.
Perhaps he should have got some professionals in.
Cheers,
Tony
Don't worry they have some lined up for the postal vote count.....Coupled with all the rubbishing from the Leave camp, and Sturgeon putting her boot in more or less telling everyone that Camerons claims were beyond belief and conterproductive, although surely a leave vote would actually play rather well into her hands, I'm sure the day hasn't gone quite as well as they had planned.
As he was in Buy and Queue I'd describe it as a Botched job.
Perhaps he should have got some professionals in.
Cheers,
Tony
Esseesse said:
Ok, I have just been out leafletting with my Leave.EU leaflets they sent me a while ago.
Several months ago I distributed 300 leaflets through letterboxes, this is the first time I had leafletted anything.
This time I went round and knocked on every door I went to too. If they didn't answer they got a leaflet. If they answered I explained that I was leafletting for the leave side in the coming referendum and may I ask if they had yet decided if they would vote or which way they would vote. I then jotted down the results below. I did not record the don't knows or the no thank you's, I would estimate that there was about the same as the total that told me one way or the other, and I would expect that some didn't know and some didn't want to say (with a weighting towards the opposite of what I was selling).
General comment: Women are less confrontational, and more 'don't know'.
So I did around 100 houses. 18 answerers who gave an opinion one way or the other. 5 In, 13 Out. I'm in North Bedford, the area is not poor but quite ordinary but tidy middle class. Mainly 3 bedroom 1970's semi-detached, some 3/4 bed detached and some bungalows.
Thanks for that, interesting post.Several months ago I distributed 300 leaflets through letterboxes, this is the first time I had leafletted anything.
This time I went round and knocked on every door I went to too. If they didn't answer they got a leaflet. If they answered I explained that I was leafletting for the leave side in the coming referendum and may I ask if they had yet decided if they would vote or which way they would vote. I then jotted down the results below. I did not record the don't knows or the no thank you's, I would estimate that there was about the same as the total that told me one way or the other, and I would expect that some didn't know and some didn't want to say (with a weighting towards the opposite of what I was selling).
General comment: Women are less confrontational, and more 'don't know'.
| Age | Gender | In/Out | Comment |
|---|---|---|---|
| 60 | F | In | Talked to teenage son who was interested but quite clueless, they felt like the kind that might not turn out. |
| 60 | M | Out | "You've got it right." |
| 60 | M | Out | Annoyed looking man just said "No thank you" and closed the door. Quite painful for anyone who has never leafletted. |
| 70 | M | In | Economic reasons. |
| 30 | F | Out (lean) | |
| 80 | M+F | Out | "You're preaching to the converted here." |
| 50 | M | Out | "You're leafletting the right way as well." |
| 45 | F | Out | "Yes, almost certainly leave." |
| 45 | M | In | "My kids are happy with the way things are." |
| 85 | F | Out | Vote leave banners outside, gave me a spare to put up. |
| 45 | M+F | Out | Chatty: "I'm normally a Conservative voter, but Cameron has lost the plot." |
| 30 | F | Out | "We will vote leave." |
| 70 | M | Out | "I'm out mate." |
| 80 | M | Out | Totally and utterly committed to out. The country is ruined. "I can't see any other way" |
| 70 | M | In | "We're staying." |
| 40 | M | In | A clever guy who could be reasoned with but still sided with voting to stay, was happy to chat too. Said that his German employer had written to everyone to urge them to vote to stay in, his clients had done the same too. Said his brother who is in more manual work will vote to leave, seemed to think it was all down to personal circumstances. |
So I did around 100 houses. 18 answerers who gave an opinion one way or the other. 5 In, 13 Out. I'm in North Bedford, the area is not poor but quite ordinary but tidy middle class. Mainly 3 bedroom 1970's semi-detached, some 3/4 bed detached and some bungalows.
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