The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
wc98 said:
A number of quotes from the EU Commission President.
Yes, and there are clearly a number of people involved in the EU project who are committed federalists who believe this is the way it needs to go. Clearly, for a shared currency to work it really has to go that way for the Eurozone countries, as greater union is necessary for that to work properly.Does that mean that the committed federalists would be able to force the UK into the monetary union, force them to be part of the EU army, force any further integration that the elected UK government did not agree to?
Pretty much every UK politician in any position of power has been quoted saying something about the ideological policy they are most wedded to, but how many of them actually come into force?
Again, the main theme in the posts here seems to that people don't like other countries having any say over what we can or can't do, when in fact a whole bunch of countries will continue to influence how our country is run even when we are out of the EU.
onemorelap said:
Well, it is a Friday.............
Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
I agree with this 100%Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
Robertj21a said:
Such a shame that we have no power to remove him........
Lobby the government and your MEPs. If they can push a vote of no confidence through the European Parliament, then he can be removed from his post. He was appointed by the EU Council and that appointment was approved by democratic vote in the European Parliament. They have the complete power to remove him whenever they want.Just because that is unlikely, doesn't mean the power does not exist.
Dakkon said:
onemorelap said:
Well, it is a Friday.............
Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
I agree with this 100%Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
onemorelap said:
Well, it is a Friday.............
Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
It is Friday but there should still be staff at their desk if you fancy submitting an expanded version of the above for consideration.Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
http://www.londonjournaloffiction.com/
mattmurdock said:
don4l said:
OK. I understand.
You are not actually saying anything at all.
The proposal is on the table.
History suggests that proposals like this do get implemented.
Everyone who understands "ever closer union" knows this.
Assertion without evidence - You are not actually saying anything at all.
The proposal is on the table.
History suggests that proposals like this do get implemented.
Everyone who understands "ever closer union" knows this.
I think not.
At the outset, many remainers were asked to tell us where their line in the sand was. None of you answered.
Last week I asked "To what problem is the EU a solution".
Nobody on the Remain side answered.
So, you won't tell us what would make you leave, and you won't say why we should stay.
Under these circumstances, it is pointless having a conversation.
Anyway, Brexit won the day, and in a couple of years you will see that it wasn't the disaster that the Remainers seem to be praying for.
Good news!
I see that the Austrian election is to be re-run because of irregularities in the postal vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3669793/Au...
I see that the Austrian election is to be re-run because of irregularities in the postal vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3669793/Au...
don4l said:
Good news!
I see that the Austrian election is to be re-run because of irregularities in the postal vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3669793/Au...
Could go either way mon ami.I see that the Austrian election is to be re-run because of irregularities in the postal vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3669793/Au...
Brexit will either inspire the Freedom Party, or cause people to run for the safety of the hills.
don4l said:
Good news!
I see that the Austrian election is to be re-run because of irregularities in the postal vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3669793/Au...
Greater than 100% turnout in some areas iirc?I see that the Austrian election is to be re-run because of irregularities in the postal vote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3669793/Au...
The next time around, the result might mean we get to see Juncker and Tusk in full-on infant mode "we're not speaking with him nar nar nee nar nar" which was telegraphed from the comfort of not having to follow through last time.
turbobloke said:
Greater than 100% turnout in some areas iirc?
The next time around, the result might mean we get to see Juncker and Tusk in full-on infant mode "we're not speaking with him nar nar nee nar nar" which was telegraphed from the comfort of not having to follow through last time.
Think of the fun that it will create on here.The next time around, the result might mean we get to see Juncker and Tusk in full-on infant mode "we're not speaking with him nar nar nee nar nar" which was telegraphed from the comfort of not having to follow through last time.
All of the people who think that we should re-run the referendum are going to be outraged.
onemorelap said:
Well, it is a Friday.............
Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
Even the BBC has given up on those sorts of delusions and accepted Brexit is happening.Mays challengers will drop by the way side over the next week or so "in the national interest".
May will go and have a brew and a chat with the moderate chap at the EU who is in place for the next 6 months, positions will be seen to soften on both sides giving soothing noises to the market.
The impartial BBC will ramp up a hearts and minds campaign with programmes showing the plight of fleeing refugees and we will be so EU'd up by xmas that we will be putting fairies on top of the Scandinavian trees waving an EU flag.
"Productive" and "constructive" talks will carry on until xmas with a compromise being reached in some form and a proposal that "we may as well remain for now" back to parliament early 2017.
The proposal won't need a referendum as "the majority of leavers only voted leave because they saw nothing but a stonewall from the EU at the time of the referendum.
This position has clearly changed so the majority of leavers would now vote "remain". Majority vote succeeds in parliament because the majority of MPs want to stay in and Article 50 will be in the background, initially as an idle threat to be re-introduced if the UK deem the EU are being naughty again (which will satisfy some of the slighty less hardcore leavers) and the EU know its an empty threat that will get quietly forgotten about / legislated out in a few years time.
Junker and Co will be told to wind their necks in "because £UK" and all will be well in the world until Scotland start wriggling again "because Scotland".
The hardcore leavers that are seen to have made the difference in the referendum will kick off initially but will disappear off to vote UKIP (if they can be bothered) that wont exist because the Tories and the EU have now made them a laughing stock as well as diminishing the impact of other Eurosceptic parties in time for the French and German elections.
Simples.
Theresa May has already staked her reputation on confirming it is happening, so even she can't go back now.
Nicky Campbell was complaining on the radio this morning that only remainers were phoning up - yer, that's because they lost and can't let go, everyone else has moved on.
mattmurdock said:
Lobby the government and your MEPs. If they can push a vote of no confidence through the European Parliament, then he can be removed from his post. He was appointed by the EU Council and that appointment was approved by democratic vote in the European Parliament. They have the complete power to remove him whenever they want.
Just because that is unlikely, doesn't mean the power does not exist.
So, in theory, the power exists - just that it's so difficult to achieve that few/nobody will pursue it. At least our MPs can get kicked out after a maximum of 5 years.Just because that is unlikely, doesn't mean the power does not exist.
Robertj21a said:
mattmurdock said:
Lobby the government and your MEPs. If they can push a vote of no confidence through the European Parliament, then he can be removed from his post. He was appointed by the EU Council and that appointment was approved by democratic vote in the European Parliament. They have the complete power to remove him whenever they want.
Just because that is unlikely, doesn't mean the power does not exist.
So, in theory, the power exists - just that it's so difficult to achieve that few/nobody will pursue it. At least our MPs can get kicked out after a maximum of 5 years.Just because that is unlikely, doesn't mean the power does not exist.
The way the system works is that the largest 'group' selects the leader of the whole shebang, and is rubber stamped by Commission and Parliament. So there is no contest, other than within that biggest group (and of course no MEP stands on the premise of the group(s) they would join, nor what they'd support).
As such, the very best that can happen is a Juncker mk2 chosen by the same subset of Parliament, having made a ton of enemies within that group.
To my mind, the group system is s
t. At the very least permit the top 3 or 4 groups to nominate a candidate, then get Parliament to vote between them. At least then there's a degree of competition of differing philosophies, and drive to build effective alliances between disparate groupings. mattmurdock said:
Yes, and there are clearly a number of people involved in the EU project who are committed federalists who believe this is the way it needs to go. Clearly, for a shared currency to work it really has to go that way for the Eurozone countries, as greater union is necessary for that to work properly.
Does that mean that the committed federalists would be able to force the UK into the monetary union, force them to be part of the EU army, force any further integration that the elected UK government did not agree to?
Pretty much every UK politician in any position of power has been quoted saying something about the ideological policy they are most wedded to, but how many of them actually come into force?
Again, the main theme in the posts here seems to that people don't like other countries having any say over what we can or can't do, when in fact a whole bunch of countries will continue to influence how our country is run even when we are out of the EU.
i don't have much problem with countries arranging things like trade agreements, common interest laws etc. what we have instead is the ideology of a few driving constitutional change all over europe. i prefer minimal bureaucratic interference in my life, i see no reason to have to pay for 55000 plus bureaucrats in brussels over and above the ones we already have at home.Does that mean that the committed federalists would be able to force the UK into the monetary union, force them to be part of the EU army, force any further integration that the elected UK government did not agree to?
Pretty much every UK politician in any position of power has been quoted saying something about the ideological policy they are most wedded to, but how many of them actually come into force?
Again, the main theme in the posts here seems to that people don't like other countries having any say over what we can or can't do, when in fact a whole bunch of countries will continue to influence how our country is run even when we are out of the EU.
i would also like to see the devolved parliaments in the uk closed for good as well. there are far too many people living off the public purse as it is. i would rather fund those that either provide a direct service or create jobs and wealth for the nation .
KrissKross said:
A remainer gives her views: https://youtu.be/qIjUESuwqes
I thought that uneducated people were voting Leave?KrissKross said:
A remainer gives her views: https://youtu.be/qIjUESuwqes
'At least we still have Lidl' ?? haha.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/07/01/na...
Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
FiF said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/07/01/na...
Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
Wonder if the spelling was correct. I think she typifies the type of Elite who consider those who vote leave to be low life scum. If she wants I could introduce her to someone on benefits who has two Cars a motorbike and two boats if the sCambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
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