The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
If this hasn't been posted already interesting read on the fallout of Brexit vote in the EU and the machinations between Junker and Merkel:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
FiF said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/07/01/na...
Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
Totally ridiculous, and typical. Not sorry to be well out of it (not economics).Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
FiF said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/07/01/na...
Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
"Cambridge academic"? Academia's in trouble, then...Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result. It was a week after the vote ffs. Her reasons appear to be a set of nested assumptions based on most unlikely scenarios, eg if the fiscal deficit were corrected solely through welfare cuts then...
Sorry but stop being ridiculous.
Call me a cynic, but I bet she's been looking for an excuse to do that for years...
...Arrest that woman for being in possession of an offensive body...
steveatesh said:
If this hasn't been posted already interesting read on the fallout of Brexit vote in the EU and the machinations between Junker and Merkel:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
Interesting article Steve, thanks for posting.http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
steveatesh said:
Jockman said:
Interesting article Steve, thanks for posting.
Interested in what you conclude from it? it's too easy to make assumptions of course! 
Edit: It also fits into a narrative that finds resonance with me.
steveatesh said:
If this hasn't been posted already interesting read on the fallout of Brexit vote in the EU and the machinations between Junker and Merkel:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
That was an interesting read.http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
People on here have told me that I was wrong to suggest that Europe is worried about Brexit.
I've pointed out several Times that Merkel and Hollande will not allow Junker and Tusk to punish Britain. The reason is very simple. Any pain inflicted on Britain would be felt many times more in Germany and France.
DerSpiegel said:
After Merkel speaks with Juncker on the phone that weekend, her belief that the Commission president is more a part of the problem than a part of the solution doesn't change. The chancellor believes that Juncker's appetite for power is one of the reasons why the British have turned their backs on Europe.
As I have already said, Junker is toast.I will be surprised if he is still in office in two weeks. The least embarrassing way out for him is to check himself into a rehabilitation clinic. He could keep a bit of honour, and claim that he was acting in the best interests of Europe.
Jockman said:
steveatesh said:
If this hasn't been posted already interesting read on the fallout of Brexit vote in the EU and the machinations between Junker and Merkel:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
Interesting article Steve, thanks for posting.http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-...
I liked this paragraph on page 2:
"On the following morning, they make clear to Juncker that they will be taking the lead in the exit negotiations with Britain. "But that is the Commission's responsibility," Juncker protests. "Jean-Claude, we have been elected, you haven't been," is the rejoinder from several prime ministers and heads of state."
However on reading this it looks like at least some of the manoeuvring by Merkel is to allow time for reflection in the UK whilst softening the image of the EU to help influence a second vote and avoid the UK actually leaving.
I do think that despite what May says about Brexit being final and there will be no second referendum, that could happen, assuming she is the new PM. Certainly not beyond doubt that we will actually trigger Article 50. Time will tell.
I hope that uk negotiators are focusing on Norway style/access to single market option asap.
fido said:
FiF said:
Cambridge lecturer shows up naked at faculty meeting in protest at Referendum result.
She's pretty typical of my friends who are from Cambridge uni .. mention anything to do with immigration or Brexit on Facebook and you get Chris Bryant videos posted as a reply!mattmurdock said:
Robertj21a said:
Such a shame that we have no power to remove him........
Lobby the government and your MEPs. If they can push a vote of no confidence through the European Parliament, then he can be removed from his post. He was appointed by the EU Council and that appointment was approved by democratic vote in the European Parliament. They have the complete power to remove him whenever they want.Just because that is unlikely, doesn't mean the power does not exist.
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
As much as I've argued with don4l from time to time he had it spot on with "biggest sulk in history."Presumably Westminster council have deployed extra street cleaning teams to clear up the gutters from the spat out dummies, rattles and toys ejected from the prams.
FiF said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
As much as I've argued with don4l from time to time he had it spot on with "biggest sulk in history."
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Surely they're all too busy relocating to the continent? AJS- said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Surely they're all too busy relocating to the continent? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=111&am...
This is pretty enjoyable with a Saturday morning coffee and biccies.
This is pretty enjoyable with a Saturday morning coffee and biccies.
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