The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
FiF said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
As much as I've argued with don4l from time to time he had it spot on with "biggest sulk in history."Presumably Westminster council have deployed extra street cleaning teams to clear up the gutters from the spat out dummies, rattles and toys ejected from the prams.
Whether one likes that particular aspect of democracy is neither here nor there.
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Wasn't this protest planned for earlier in the week but changed because of the weather?Greg66 said:
FiF said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
As much as I've argued with don4l from time to time he had it spot on with "biggest sulk in history."Presumably Westminster council have deployed extra street cleaning teams to clear up the gutters from the spat out dummies, rattles and toys ejected from the prams.
Whether one likes that particular aspect of democracy is neither here nor there.
One thing CMD got right:
"The British people have made a choice that not only needs to be respected but those on the losing side of the argument, myself included, should help to make it work."
Continuing the sulk is hardly helping to make it work.
turbobloke said:
it's the use, or abuse, of democracy to protest against democracy. The aim is neither noble nor legitimate
Don't think you've thought through the ramifications of calling a protest against a democratic result "an abuse of democracy". turbobloke said:
but the protesters can protest of course
Obviously. You got there in the end. Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 2nd July 11:12
turbobloke said:
Equally, there are people on here bright enough to see that it's not the protesting as such, it's the use, or abuse, of democracy to protest against democracy. The aim is neither noble nor legitimate post-vote, the democratic decision is what it is, but the protesters can protest of course just as others can point out the absurdity of it.
One thing CMD got right:
"The British people have made a choice that not only needs to be respected but those on the losing side of the argument, myself included, should help to make it work."
Continuing the sulk is hardly helping to make it work.
The irony is that it was Farage who suggested that there would be 'unfinished business' if the vote was so close. If the result had gone the other way, do you think the Brexiters would be accepting, or would Farage be on the streets calling for a 2nd referendum?One thing CMD got right:
"The British people have made a choice that not only needs to be respected but those on the losing side of the argument, myself included, should help to make it work."
Continuing the sulk is hardly helping to make it work.
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
The same lot that protested when the Tories won the GE because Labour & the Greens didn't win? Then protested again over the Cameron Panama account non-story? I shall brace my social media account for an influx of Canary & AAV articles stating how many millions of people protested and it wasn't fair that the far right BBC hasn't made it todays top news story!
Greg66 said:
turbobloke said:
it's the use, or abuse, of democracy to protest against democracy. The aim is neither noble nor legitimate
Don't think you've thought through the ramifications of calling a protest against a democratic result "an abuse of democracy". Greg66 said:
turbobloke said:
but the protesters can protest of course
Obviously. You got there in the end. "Tyranny" and "dictatorship"?
I like you after all. You're funny.
(You may wish to remind yourself of a letter from someone senior in the - I think - Lithuanian Govt published just before the referendum. It made the point that the British were wrong to regard the EU as a dictatorship. The Lithuanians had lived under a dictatorship, knew what it was like, and knew the EU is nothing like it.
But I'm sure as ever you think you know better).
I like you after all. You're funny.
(You may wish to remind yourself of a letter from someone senior in the - I think - Lithuanian Govt published just before the referendum. It made the point that the British were wrong to regard the EU as a dictatorship. The Lithuanians had lived under a dictatorship, knew what it was like, and knew the EU is nothing like it.
But I'm sure as ever you think you know better).
Greg66 said:
"Tyranny" and "dictatorship"?
I like you after all. You're funny.
(You may wish to remind yourself of a letter from someone senior in the - I think - Lithuanian Govt published just before the referendum. It made the point that the British were wrong to regard the EU as a dictatorship. The Lithuanians had lived under a dictatorship, knew what it was like, and knew the EU is nothing like it.
But I'm sure as ever you think you know better).
Juncker helped the Leave vote - what does that tell you?I like you after all. You're funny.
(You may wish to remind yourself of a letter from someone senior in the - I think - Lithuanian Govt published just before the referendum. It made the point that the British were wrong to regard the EU as a dictatorship. The Lithuanians had lived under a dictatorship, knew what it was like, and knew the EU is nothing like it.
But I'm sure as ever you think you know better).
Greg66 said:
That he is unappealing. Nothing about "tyranny" or "dictatorship" though.
Hyperbole, of course. However, I don't think anyone (including the EU itself) disagrees that there is a democratic deficit in their legislative process. What's become clear is that that deficit is as a result of the same dilemma that
underpins all of the EU - the question of whether they need more Europe or less Europe.
The EU itself would like to have more power passed to the EU and taken away from the countries, which would eventually result in more legislative power at the parliament. But with the countries (Germany, really) themselves keen to retain power at the council level, that can't happen.
turbobloke said:
Greg66 said:
FiF said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
As much as I've argued with don4l from time to time he had it spot on with "biggest sulk in history."Presumably Westminster council have deployed extra street cleaning teams to clear up the gutters from the spat out dummies, rattles and toys ejected from the prams.
Whether one likes that particular aspect of democracy is neither here nor there.
One thing CMD got right:
"The British people have made a choice that not only needs to be respected but those on the losing side of the argument, myself included, should help to make it work."
Continuing the sulk is hardly helping to make it work.
You see the thing that amuses me about this is based from way back when, well before His Nigelness talked about unfinished business, which I took to mean that the movement to leave the EU would continue much as before as opposed to disorderly conduct. Anyway it was openly stated on here, with reasoned arguments, regardless of agreement or not, that in the event of a vote for Remain it would be losing leavers that would go into a massive frothing strop, but that losing Remainers would be much more restrained because because. I think we can safely say that argument has been put to bed as the twaddle we all knew it was.
Comedy gold is the saying I believe.
davepoth said:
Greg66 said:
That he is unappealing. Nothing about "tyranny" or "dictatorship" though.
Hyperbole, of course. Tyranny is the ruthless imposition of political self-interest, in terms of what the protesters are hoping for it's spot on.
The words are unpalatable which is presumably why they make some people recoil from the truth of what's happening in terms of the aims of the protest (not the lawful act itself) Always assuming that the tolerant types involved keep it lawful and let's hope they do.
It's the same objectionable but lawful behaviour seen in those abusing their own freedom of speech to try to silence Charlie Hebdo for the sole reason that they don't like what Charlie says. Free speech is OK for these people as long as their view is spoken and the opposing view is neutralised.
In this case the revolting people in Park Lane are abusing democracy to sulk against democracy for the sole reason that a democractic outcome wasn't to their liking. Democracy was OK when it produced a result they like. Then when it doesn't they get all sulky and howl against democracy.
After May 2015 and now June 2016 there is clearly a rump of undemocratic people whose noses have been rubbed in democracy who think it's a bad thing and seek to overturn democracy. With such a selfish and dictatorial manner, long may their long noses be rubbed in it as with luck they might get to like the smell.
Laurel Green said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Wasn't this protest planned for earlier in the week but changed because of the weather?
Laurel Green said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Wasn't this protest planned for earlier in the week but changed because of the weather?Mind you if they hang around for a dry day, the new PM will be in place, Article 50 will have been invoked and the EU will be 5 countries smaller.
Roll on a sunny day
turbobloke said:
Dictatorship is no more and no less than absolute political authority, over and above the democratic will of the people. It's what the protestors in their lawful protest are seeking by protesting against a democractic outcome via imposition of something else.
This happens often though. Take the case of the assisted suicide vote last year. Every poll showed massive support for assisted suicide for the terminally ill yet parliament overrode the will of the people. don'tbesilly said:
Laurel Green said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Wasn't this protest planned for earlier in the week but changed because of the weather?Mind you if they hang around for a dry day, the new PM will be in place, Article 50 will have been invoked and the EU will be 5 countries smaller.
Roll on a sunny day
king idiots.FiF said:
Re protest ongoing, comedian and protester big cry baby Mark Thomas said the referendum campaign had not been fought "on a level playing field".
Correct, it wasn't and errr, if it had been, would the result have ended as close as it? Probably not, so not sure what his point is.
I've just read it on Sky News, he's the tCorrect, it wasn't and errr, if it had been, would the result have ended as close as it? Probably not, so not sure what his point is.
t who's actually organised it. My eyes nearly popped out.Of all people - his whole career has been based on nothing but taking the piss out of big organisations and critcising the establishment - yet here he is wanting to stay in the EU.
EH...!?
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