The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
FiF said:
Trabi601 said:
don4l said:
So, we went in with 42%, and the bedwetters are saying that we shouldn't leave even though we got 52%.
This is truely the greatest Sulk in history.
I'm looking forward to seeing YouTube interviews of some of today's "educated" London anti-democratic protesters.
Where are you, Zod?
Why not look at the *real* figure which took us in?This is truely the greatest Sulk in history.
I'm looking forward to seeing YouTube interviews of some of today's "educated" London anti-democratic protesters.
Where are you, Zod?
You know, the referendum which was 67/33 in favour?
Trabi601 said:
... the current incarnation of the EU has maintained peace on the continent for longer than we've ever managed before.
Selective memory ? Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in... Or maybe you think "the continent" only comprises the EU itself ?Trabi601 said:
FiF said:
We're you there at the time, suspect not, otherwise you wouldn't post such utter twaddle.
Are you denying that the 1975 referendum was 67/33 in favour of joining?In a strange twist of fate, the 'out' vote this year is almost identical to the 'in' vote in 1975.
FiF said:
Numbers don't tell the whole story, it was a very different situation nationally, internationally and in the way information was available and the discussion conducted. Which is why I asked if you were there, I think you weren't.
I was 1 year old.Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
PRTVR said:
What !!! You are saying we were lied to ? We should demand another referendum...
Internet wasn't even a twinkle in Berners-Lee's eye back then so how ould we have petitioned the govt? Could have written to Maj Proobs with a disgusted of Tunbridhe Wells letter I suppose.That will get the youngster goggling
Trabi601 said:
FiF said:
Numbers don't tell the whole story, it was a very different situation nationally, internationally and in the way information was available and the discussion conducted. Which is why I asked if you were there, I think you weren't.
I was 1 year old.Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Every younger generation has issues with what the older generations did, although in reality the adults among us buckle down and adapt to the situation presented and do the best for themselves, their family and the nation within the parameters available. Though it seems the current lot seem to have a slightly different approach. Big whiney babies.
Not going to agree on this so won't waste any more time with you. Best wishes.
Trabi601 said:
FiF said:
Numbers don't tell the whole story, it was a very different situation nationally, internationally and in the way information was available and the discussion conducted. Which is why I asked if you were there, I think you weren't.
I was 1 year old.Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Trabi601 said:
FiF said:
Numbers don't tell the whole story, it was a very different situation nationally, internationally and in the way information was available and the discussion conducted. Which is why I asked if you were there, I think you weren't.
I was 1 year old.Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
As of the 2015-16 SPI we're doing reasonably well after FiF's generation wasn't collectively in power pulling any strings, just working away to do the best they can for those dear to them, as many of us do.
At last - we beat Iceland at something.
As this is the 'No To The EU' thread it's interesting to see Germany, Austria, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Luxembourg et al nowhere in the top ten. That may be down to FiF, though to be fair the EZ being well-managed by the EU might have had something to do with it.
Finland looks like a saviour, and an outlier, but then you look at trajectory and it's still good but not quite so good.
"Finland emerges as the sick man of Europe"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11993...
It looks like FiF and his generation need to account for their movements in Scandinavia recently.
Greg66 said:
768 said:
I'm younger than you, I voted leave. Get your act together old man, innit.
Turbobloke will be along soon to tell you that as a sallow youth you lack wisdom. turbobloke said:
With the wisdom not to speak for others, which you just demonstrated a lack of by assuming you knew my reaction, I can reveal to both of you that I would do no such thing.
turbobloke said:
Even if so, being educated and young is no proxy for being right.
There's nothing special about either criterion, surely your post isn't some form of death blow for egalitarianism and the positing of the superiority of an age group and for an educational stratum - quite appalling if so, arrogant and divisive.
As far as being young and educated goes, this relates to attributes related to knowledge, understanding and naiveté.
Wisdom is related to experiemce. Young educated voters are young and educated but may well lack the wisdom to make accurate judgements.
I suppose new evidence has emerged. There's nothing special about either criterion, surely your post isn't some form of death blow for egalitarianism and the positing of the superiority of an age group and for an educational stratum - quite appalling if so, arrogant and divisive.
As far as being young and educated goes, this relates to attributes related to knowledge, understanding and naiveté.
Wisdom is related to experiemce. Young educated voters are young and educated but may well lack the wisdom to make accurate judgements.
Trabi601 said:
That may well be the case, but things evolve over time and the current incarnation of the EU has maintained peace on the continent for longer than we've ever managed before. By destabilising, what will we get in the future?
However, it just shows that the current result is an incredibly narrow margin, and that many 'leave' voters now acknowledge they voted the wrong way - add that to the far right and national socialist vote, I think we are deciding our future based on some very dodgy ground.
Just do not see this "maintained peace" thing. The WWII result was a wrecked Europe, a strong US and a belligerent Stalin with his eye on the rest of Europe that he failed to nab before the H dude topped himself.However, it just shows that the current result is an incredibly narrow margin, and that many 'leave' voters now acknowledge they voted the wrong way - add that to the far right and national socialist vote, I think we are deciding our future based on some very dodgy ground.
The EU happened to be around when the were no wars, that is a far better description I think?
Greg66 said:
I suppose new evidence has emerged.
I'm still standing by the post you quoted, which doesn't allow me to speak for anyone.Given that I, you too, cannot possibly know the life experience reflected in an age, it's wise not to label people with an almost total lack of evidence, none of which is new.
An intelligent graduate could be an OU silver surfer, where the personal context makes all the difference...such people may have lacked opportunity when pre-war and post-war the proportion of 18-year olds going to uni was 3% not the 30% plus of today.
Taking an intelligent graduate in statistical terms will show a majority are school-uni-people who benefited from the higher educatin expansion in recent years. It would take ten years of uni admissions post-war to equal one year in the recent past.
If an intelligent graduate's life experience is dominated by school and uni then on balance they will lack wisdom due mainly to...their limited experience of life. That doesn't mean it's compulsory and applies to everyone so I wouldn't label an individual as you would have me do, as that would be unwise
turbobloke said:
I'm still standing by the post you quoted, which doesn't allow me to speak for anyone.
Given that I, you too, cannot possibly know the life experience reflected in an age, it's wise not to label people with an almost total lack of evidence, none of which is new.
An intelligent graduate could be an OU silver surfer, where the personal context makes all the difference...such people may have lacked opportunity when pre-war and post-war the proportion of 18-year olds going to uni was 3% not the 30% plus of today.
Taking an intelligent graduate in statistical terms will show a majority are school-uni-people who benefited from the higher educatin expansion in recent years. It would take ten years of uni admissions post-war to equal one year in the recent past.
If an intelligent graduate's life experience is dominated by school and uni then on balance they will lack wisdom due mainly to...their limited experience of life. That doesn't mean it's compulsory and applies to everyone so I wouldn't label an individual as you would have me do, as that would be unwise
A good point can usually be made concisely. Given that I, you too, cannot possibly know the life experience reflected in an age, it's wise not to label people with an almost total lack of evidence, none of which is new.
An intelligent graduate could be an OU silver surfer, where the personal context makes all the difference...such people may have lacked opportunity when pre-war and post-war the proportion of 18-year olds going to uni was 3% not the 30% plus of today.
Taking an intelligent graduate in statistical terms will show a majority are school-uni-people who benefited from the higher educatin expansion in recent years. It would take ten years of uni admissions post-war to equal one year in the recent past.
If an intelligent graduate's life experience is dominated by school and uni then on balance they will lack wisdom due mainly to...their limited experience of life. That doesn't mean it's compulsory and applies to everyone so I wouldn't label an individual as you would have me do, as that would be unwise
Greg66 said:
turbobloke said:
I'm still standing by the post you quoted, which doesn't allow me to speak for anyone.
Given that I, you too, cannot possibly know the life experience reflected in an age, it's wise not to label people with an almost total lack of evidence, none of which is new.
An intelligent graduate could be an OU silver surfer, where the personal context makes all the difference...such people may have lacked opportunity when pre-war and post-war the proportion of 18-year olds going to uni was 3% not the 30% plus of today.
Taking an intelligent graduate in statistical terms will show a majority are school-uni-people who benefited from the higher educatin expansion in recent years. It would take ten years of uni admissions post-war to equal one year in the recent past.
If an intelligent graduate's life experience is dominated by school and uni then on balance they will lack wisdom due mainly to...their limited experience of life. That doesn't mean it's compulsory and applies to everyone so I wouldn't label an individual as you would have me do, as that would be unwise
A good point can usually be made concisely. Given that I, you too, cannot possibly know the life experience reflected in an age, it's wise not to label people with an almost total lack of evidence, none of which is new.
An intelligent graduate could be an OU silver surfer, where the personal context makes all the difference...such people may have lacked opportunity when pre-war and post-war the proportion of 18-year olds going to uni was 3% not the 30% plus of today.
Taking an intelligent graduate in statistical terms will show a majority are school-uni-people who benefited from the higher educatin expansion in recent years. It would take ten years of uni admissions post-war to equal one year in the recent past.
If an intelligent graduate's life experience is dominated by school and uni then on balance they will lack wisdom due mainly to...their limited experience of life. That doesn't mean it's compulsory and applies to everyone so I wouldn't label an individual as you would have me do, as that would be unwise
turbobloke said:
Trabi601 said:
FiF said:
Numbers don't tell the whole story, it was a very different situation nationally, internationally and in the way information was available and the discussion conducted. Which is why I asked if you were there, I think you weren't.
I was 1 year old.Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
As of the 2015-16 SPI we're doing reasonably well after FiF's generation wasn't collectively in power pulling any strings, just working away to do the best they can for those dear to them, as many of us do.
At last - we beat Iceland at something.
As this is the 'No To The EU' thread it's interesting to see Germany, Austria, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Luxembourg et al nowhere in the top ten. That may be down to FiF, though to be fair the EZ being well-managed by the EU might have had something to do with it.
Finland looks like a saviour, and an outlier, but then you look at trajectory and it's still good but not quite so good.
"Finland emerges as the sick man of Europe"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11993...
It looks like FiF and his generation need to account for their movements in Scandinavia recently.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff