The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
alfie2244 said:
turbobloke said:
And as Albert - a wise and intelligent old chap who lacked undergraduate status being a self-taught patent clerk - once advised, make things as simple as possible, but no simpler.
This Albert?
If he achieved a (worthy) Teaching Diploma but not a science degree before getting a job in a patent office and revolutionising the world of physics by the power of an essentially self-educated but brilliant mind, then the fact that they were never seen in the same room assumes greater importance.
turbobloke said:
alfie2244 said:
turbobloke said:
And as Albert - a wise and intelligent old chap who lacked undergraduate status being a self-taught patent clerk - once advised, make things as simple as possible, but no simpler.
This Albert?If he achieved a (worthy) Teaching Diploma but not a science degree before getting a job in a patent office and revolutionising the world of physics by the power of an essentially self-educated but brilliant mind, then the fact that they were never seen in the same room assumes greater importance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8gOjasxxO0
funkyrobot said:
don'tbesilly said:
Laurel Green said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Wasn't this protest planned for earlier in the week but changed because of the weather?Mind you if they hang around for a dry day, the new PM will be in place, Article 50 will have been invoked and the EU will be 5 countries smaller.
Roll on a sunny day
king idiots.Norfolkit said:
funkyrobot said:
don'tbesilly said:
Laurel Green said:
turbobloke said:
Today will see a bunch of people protesting against the result from a democratic process in favour of a dictatorship approach, no wonder they like the EU. It starts from Park Lane at 11am if any highly intelligent Londoners were unaware and want to join in.
Wasn't this protest planned for earlier in the week but changed because of the weather?Mind you if they hang around for a dry day, the new PM will be in place, Article 50 will have been invoked and the EU will be 5 countries smaller.
Roll on a sunny day
king idiots.At least one remainder is starting to understand https://medium.com/@oliverhumpage/i-want-to-stop-s...
HappyMidget said:
At least one remainder is starting to understand https://medium.com/@oliverhumpage/i-want-to-stop-s...
Thanks for posting that; it has been rare to find any intelligent analysis amid all the name calling.OliverHumpage said:
And yes, “Out” still may not work, but it’s better than just sitting there meekly.
I completely agree.
Trabi601 said:
I was 1 year old.
Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Listen you complete fWhich suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
kwit, you create your own destiny, stop playing the blame game. I am fking sick and tired of hearing everyone blaming everyone else and it seems to come from our generation and younger. The generation you are moaning about transformed the world in which we live in from something that for most was pretty grim into close to what we have today.
You sound like a left wing 20 something that has just come out of Uni and think the world owes you a favour. I don't know what you do for a living but I bet you turn up, do a days work and take a wage, I bet you have no real understanding of what it actually takes and what it costs to run a business, whether that is a service company, manufacturing, retailing or run a country.
As much as I loved the notion of being part of the EU, it is f
ked. Some of the net contributors are in a debt trap FFS!
What are your suggestions to rectify that? Go on, tell me what you would suggest to try and stop it all going under?
Juncker and his merry men are trying to push towards an EU with more and more control and the fact that corrupt, power hungry drunk is in charge should have been enough in itself to make anyone want to leave. They know it is f
ked and they are simply trying to buy time for personal gain. All I have heard from numbnuts like yourself over the last week is how the older generation have ruined everything for you, it is all old people and uneducated knuckle draggers that have voted leave. Yet when you speak to them they all say the same thing "I like to be able to travel", "I like being European", "I like being multicultural." yet when you ask them about the debt trap most are in, or any of the things that really matter they all look at you with blank stares and say "Oh, I don't really care about the politics of it all"
Jesus wept!!
We have been multicultural for 70 years, we will still be able to travel and we will still be able to work in the EU you morons.
Immigration is an issues, 385,000 net immigration a year worldwide with roughly half coming from the EU costs us billions. To put it into perspective it is a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge. Which make it easier to understand the strain it is bringing us, we need to build a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge every year, that is roads, hospitals, doctors, police forces, fire services, councils etc. etc. Every single year!!!!
Oh, and we need to do it twice because we have even more coming from the rest of the world.
Depending whether they are remain or leave most tended to argue the net cost per year was between £11b and £17b. Whichever it is, it is bloody high and an expense we simply can't afford.
Now was it needed for the campaign? Not really, it is an issue we need to address but not sure if it was needed to be used as part of the leave campaign. I know more people who switched from Leave to Remain as they 'felt bad' that they were being classed as a racist, so I think it actually did more harm than good.
Look at where the EU is going...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192564.html
I think you should be more grateful that some of the ' unuducated older generation' have got you out of what would have been a pretty horrible EU going forward.
gizlaroc said:
Trabi601 said:
I was 1 year old.
Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Listen you complete fWhich suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
kwit, you create your own destiny, stop playing the blame game. I am fking sick and tired of hearing everyone blaming everyone else and it seems to come from our generation and younger. The generation you are moaning about transformed the world in which we live in from something that for most was pretty grim into close to what we have today.
You sound like a left wing 20 something that has just come out of Uni and think the world owes you a favour. I don't know what you do for a living but I bet you turn up, do a days work and take a wage, I bet you have no real understanding of what it actually takes and what it costs to run a business, whether that is a service company, manufacturing, retailing or run a country.
As much as I loved the notion of being part of the EU, it is f
ked. Some of the net contributors are in a debt trap FFS!
What are your suggestions to rectify that? Go on, tell me what you would suggest to try and stop it all going under?
Juncker and his merry men are trying to push towards an EU with more and more control and the fact that corrupt, power hungry drunk is in charge should have been enough in itself to make anyone want to leave. They know it is f
ked and they are simply trying to buy time for personal gain. All I have heard from numbnuts like yourself over the last week is how the older generation have ruined everything for you, it is all old people and uneducated knuckle draggers that have voted leave. Yet when you speak to them they all say the same thing "I like to be able to travel", "I like being European", "I like being multicultural." yet when you ask them about the debt trap most are in, or any of the things that really matter they all look at you with blank stares and say "Oh, I don't really care about the politics of it all"
Jesus wept!!
We have been multicultural for 70 years, we will still be able to travel and we will still be able to work in the EU you morons.
Immigration is an issues, 385,000 net immigration a year worldwide with roughly half coming from the EU costs us billions. To put it into perspective it is a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge. Which make it easier to understand the strain it is bringing us, we need to build a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge every year, that is roads, hospitals, doctors, police forces, fire services, councils etc. etc. Every single year!!!!
Oh, and we need to do it twice because we have even more coming from the rest of the world.
Depending whether they are remain or leave most tended to argue the net cost per year was between £11b and £17b. Whichever it is, it is bloody high and an expense we simply can't afford.
Now was it needed for the campaign? Not really, it is an issue we need to address but not sure if it was needed to be used as part of the leave campaign. I know more people who switched from Leave to Remain as they 'felt bad' that they were being classed as a racist, so I think it actually did more harm than good.
Look at where the EU is going...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192564.html
I think you should be more grateful that some of the ' unuducated older generation' have got you out of what would have been a pretty horrible EU going forward.
Top rant. And one I agree with for the most part.
Although I still am not sure we will come out of the EU - I have a nasty feeling this will drag and drag.
This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
Trabi601 said:
This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
from 2011??? OK so seeing as you believe it to be worth a read I read it - so I just fall into that category born in 1964 but nothing in that article is relevant to me and I've got to live with the consequences for the rest of my working life (16 years) and what I hope will be a good few years after that.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
Large proportion of the out vote fall into that age group - probably right but you seem to think that they voted with out any care for anyone but themselves - I think the reverse is probably true - they have seen the common market morph into the EU with designs on being a European superstate at the same time be a very poor ponzi scheme designed to help the elite get fat and the poor get poorer
Trabi601 said:
This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
Yet all the 18-24 years old had to get their way (assuming all 18-24 year olds would have voted in a similar proportion) to was get off their arses and write an X with a pencil.......http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
Also - all age groups above 45 voted out so it's not just baby boomers. Even the 35-44 age group, despite voting to stay, was hardly overwhelmingly in favor of staying (the vote for that age group was 52:48).
Derek Smith said:
I think if you want to destroy the arguments of others you need to come in with some evidence. Just gainsaying what was said is really not enough.
Let's look at facts:
For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
That's just one point.
Further, if London loses its preeminence as a financial market, and there are many cities after our crown, there will be direct job losses. All commentators I've read, both UK and foreign, think it either likely or probable. Indeed, there have been comments from European leaders suggesting they will be carpet-bagging. Then there is the benefit of invisible earnings, again a bit of a negative. So lots of jobs, and that's just in one part of the industry.
You whistle, or do I mean fiddle.
You seem to think that all the problems will be instant. Well some have been of course, but there will be two years, maybe more, of uncertainty before we leave.
If you think things will be hunky dory then I wonder if you would like to buy Tower Bridge.
On top of all that, we are in a period of unrivaled political uncertainty. Where that will lead us is unknown, even, perhaps especially, to you.
One of the many problems with an exit (apart from the lack of plan of course) is that the legal side is unknown. It is new. No one has a clue. There will be challenges.
We blandly comment about Cameron not being willing to press the button as if it is his decision to make. But most lawyers suggest it is not.
So say we get a pro exit leader of the tories (yes, even they have MPs who only care what is best for them) and she decides to 'press the button' of her own volition. This will lead to legal challenges. And quite rightly. The referendum is not binding on the government.
Say, though, it goes for a vote. What if it isn't passed? It will be a shock to everyone when it is but it is a distinct possibility. That will send all sorts of shockwaves.
I've got to write a short series of articles on the effects the exit vote will have on marketing. So I do what I normally do and read research, including a 429 page .pdf. There were also three other in-depth articles I read and they all come to the same conclusion.
In short: short to medium term problems for the UK in respect of investment in particular. They were also universal in their opinion that no one knows what the result will be beyond the first few years.
It seems strange that I haven't been able to find your evidence-led missive on how good the exit will be for the UK. How everything in the garden is lovely and how everyone else is wrong.
Get a grip, look for the evidence and, on a personal note, stop calling those who don't agree with you bed-wetters. Firstly, it is very rude. Secondly, it adds nothing to your argument. Thirdly, most people will probably form opinions as to why you have used that form of insult.
By the way, the most likely outcome, according to my research, is believed to be that the UK will try for some kind of Norwegian option but will have to pay through the nose for it. I bet it comes in at something like £350m a week. Actually a bit more as the exchange rate will probably be well down then because of the protracted negotiations.
As I say, I have completed a lot of research on the specific matter of the effects on marketing and no one, absolutely no one, reckons it isn't going to hit us. On top of that, we will still have to comply with the GDPR even if we leave before implementation in 2018.
From the Jeremy Corbyn thread where Al has requested that people stay on topic.Let's look at facts:
For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
That's just one point.
Further, if London loses its preeminence as a financial market, and there are many cities after our crown, there will be direct job losses. All commentators I've read, both UK and foreign, think it either likely or probable. Indeed, there have been comments from European leaders suggesting they will be carpet-bagging. Then there is the benefit of invisible earnings, again a bit of a negative. So lots of jobs, and that's just in one part of the industry.
You whistle, or do I mean fiddle.
You seem to think that all the problems will be instant. Well some have been of course, but there will be two years, maybe more, of uncertainty before we leave.
If you think things will be hunky dory then I wonder if you would like to buy Tower Bridge.
On top of all that, we are in a period of unrivaled political uncertainty. Where that will lead us is unknown, even, perhaps especially, to you.
One of the many problems with an exit (apart from the lack of plan of course) is that the legal side is unknown. It is new. No one has a clue. There will be challenges.
We blandly comment about Cameron not being willing to press the button as if it is his decision to make. But most lawyers suggest it is not.
So say we get a pro exit leader of the tories (yes, even they have MPs who only care what is best for them) and she decides to 'press the button' of her own volition. This will lead to legal challenges. And quite rightly. The referendum is not binding on the government.
Say, though, it goes for a vote. What if it isn't passed? It will be a shock to everyone when it is but it is a distinct possibility. That will send all sorts of shockwaves.
I've got to write a short series of articles on the effects the exit vote will have on marketing. So I do what I normally do and read research, including a 429 page .pdf. There were also three other in-depth articles I read and they all come to the same conclusion.
In short: short to medium term problems for the UK in respect of investment in particular. They were also universal in their opinion that no one knows what the result will be beyond the first few years.
It seems strange that I haven't been able to find your evidence-led missive on how good the exit will be for the UK. How everything in the garden is lovely and how everyone else is wrong.
Get a grip, look for the evidence and, on a personal note, stop calling those who don't agree with you bed-wetters. Firstly, it is very rude. Secondly, it adds nothing to your argument. Thirdly, most people will probably form opinions as to why you have used that form of insult.
By the way, the most likely outcome, according to my research, is believed to be that the UK will try for some kind of Norwegian option but will have to pay through the nose for it. I bet it comes in at something like £350m a week. Actually a bit more as the exchange rate will probably be well down then because of the protracted negotiations.
As I say, I have completed a lot of research on the specific matter of the effects on marketing and no one, absolutely no one, reckons it isn't going to hit us. On top of that, we will still have to comply with the GDPR even if we leave before implementation in 2018.
I've been reading the newspapers today, and I must say that I am a bit stunned.
The sense of fear in the Remain camp is palpable. It seems much worse than 2008 when we saw the near collapse of the financial system.
The Queen got involved yesterday and called for calm. I cannot remember this ever happening before.
Derek, you asked me to come in with some evidence. I spent half an hour typing up evidence, and you just snipped it. I didn't do any cherry picking. I picked the first 8 claims on the Remain campaign's website. I would have carried on, but dinner was ready.
I feel that I proved my case yesterday. The claims on the BSE website are not only unbelievable, but in two instances they actually made contradictory claims.
The whole campaign has been characterised by two things.
1) Fear
2) An inability to see the other side's point of view.
I admit that I cannot see your point of view. I have absolutely no idea why you are worried about the current situation. Reading the front pages this morning, I can tell that you are not alone.
As I see it, we are going to enter a period of change. We will rebalance our economy, with the emphasis shifting back towards manufacturing. This, IMHO, is a good thing. Manufacturing is more resilient during international recessions.
When I used the term "bedwetters" a couple of months age, it was out of frustration. It didn't matter how convincing a case was put forward by the Leave side, the remainers could never see it. They have not acknowledged a single point.
I asked the question "To what problem is the EU the solution?".
Nobody on the Remain side even tried to answer the question.
I'm both puzzled, and frustrated.
Moonhawk said:
Trabi601 said:
This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
Yet all the 18-24 years old had to get their way (assuming all 18-24 year olds would have voted in a similar proportion) to was get off their arses and write an X with a pencil.......http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JE...
And it's this generation who form a large proportion of the out vote, yet won't have to live with the consequences.
Also - all age groups above 45 voted out so it's not just baby boomers. Even the 35-44 age group, despite voting to stay, was hardly overwhelmingly in favor of staying (the vote for that age group was 52:48).
I just hope he never meets any of my 7 children / stepchildren (aged 40 - 17) he might just get a tounge-lashing, a kick in the balls or punch on the nose depending on which he meets (2 oldest being girls and over 6ft tall)
chris watton said:
gizlaroc said:
Trabi601 said:
I was 1 year old.
Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Listen you complete fWhich suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
kwit, you create your own destiny, stop playing the blame game. I am fking sick and tired of hearing everyone blaming everyone else and it seems to come from our generation and younger. The generation you are moaning about transformed the world in which we live in from something that for most was pretty grim into close to what we have today.
You sound like a left wing 20 something that has just come out of Uni and think the world owes you a favour. I don't know what you do for a living but I bet you turn up, do a days work and take a wage, I bet you have no real understanding of what it actually takes and what it costs to run a business, whether that is a service company, manufacturing, retailing or run a country.
As much as I loved the notion of being part of the EU, it is f
ked. Some of the net contributors are in a debt trap FFS!
What are your suggestions to rectify that? Go on, tell me what you would suggest to try and stop it all going under?
Juncker and his merry men are trying to push towards an EU with more and more control and the fact that corrupt, power hungry drunk is in charge should have been enough in itself to make anyone want to leave. They know it is f
ked and they are simply trying to buy time for personal gain. All I have heard from numbnuts like yourself over the last week is how the older generation have ruined everything for you, it is all old people and uneducated knuckle draggers that have voted leave. Yet when you speak to them they all say the same thing "I like to be able to travel", "I like being European", "I like being multicultural." yet when you ask them about the debt trap most are in, or any of the things that really matter they all look at you with blank stares and say "Oh, I don't really care about the politics of it all"
Jesus wept!!
We have been multicultural for 70 years, we will still be able to travel and we will still be able to work in the EU you morons.
Immigration is an issues, 385,000 net immigration a year worldwide with roughly half coming from the EU costs us billions. To put it into perspective it is a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge. Which make it easier to understand the strain it is bringing us, we need to build a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge every year, that is roads, hospitals, doctors, police forces, fire services, councils etc. etc. Every single year!!!!
Oh, and we need to do it twice because we have even more coming from the rest of the world.
Depending whether they are remain or leave most tended to argue the net cost per year was between £11b and £17b. Whichever it is, it is bloody high and an expense we simply can't afford.
Now was it needed for the campaign? Not really, it is an issue we need to address but not sure if it was needed to be used as part of the leave campaign. I know more people who switched from Leave to Remain as they 'felt bad' that they were being classed as a racist, so I think it actually did more harm than good.
Look at where the EU is going...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192564.html
I think you should be more grateful that some of the ' unuducated older generation' have got you out of what would have been a pretty horrible EU going forward.
Top rant. And one I agree with for the most part.
Although I still am not sure we will come out of the EU - I have a nasty feeling this will drag and drag.
The consolation with your second sentence is that the longer it drags the more chance there is of there not being an EU to remain in, yay!
The list of countries looking to give a referendum to the people to decide whether to stay in or leave seems to get longer every day.
gizlaroc said:
Trabi601 said:
I was 1 year old.
Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Listen you complete fWhich suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
kwit, you create your own destiny, stop playing the blame game. I am fking sick and tired of hearing everyone blaming everyone else and it seems to come from our generation and younger. The generation you are moaning about transformed the world in which we live in from something that for most was pretty grim into close to what we have today.
You sound like a left wing 20 something that has just come out of Uni and think the world owes you a favour. I don't know what you do for a living but I bet you turn up, do a days work and take a wage, I bet you have no real understanding of what it actually takes and what it costs to run a business, whether that is a service company, manufacturing, retailing or run a country.
As much as I loved the notion of being part of the EU, it is f
ked. Some of the net contributors are in a debt trap FFS!
What are your suggestions to rectify that? Go on, tell me what you would suggest to try and stop it all going under?
Juncker and his merry men are trying to push towards an EU with more and more control and the fact that corrupt, power hungry drunk is in charge should have been enough in itself to make anyone want to leave. They know it is f
ked and they are simply trying to buy time for personal gain. All I have heard from numbnuts like yourself over the last week is how the older generation have ruined everything for you, it is all old people and uneducated knuckle draggers that have voted leave. Yet when you speak to them they all say the same thing "I like to be able to travel", "I like being European", "I like being multicultural." yet when you ask them about the debt trap most are in, or any of the things that really matter they all look at you with blank stares and say "Oh, I don't really care about the politics of it all"
Jesus wept!!
We have been multicultural for 70 years, we will still be able to travel and we will still be able to work in the EU you morons.
Immigration is an issues, 385,000 net immigration a year worldwide with roughly half coming from the EU costs us billions. To put it into perspective it is a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge. Which make it easier to understand the strain it is bringing us, we need to build a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge every year, that is roads, hospitals, doctors, police forces, fire services, councils etc. etc. Every single year!!!!
Oh, and we need to do it twice because we have even more coming from the rest of the world.
Depending whether they are remain or leave most tended to argue the net cost per year was between £11b and £17b. Whichever it is, it is bloody high and an expense we simply can't afford.
Now was it needed for the campaign? Not really, it is an issue we need to address but not sure if it was needed to be used as part of the leave campaign. I know more people who switched from Leave to Remain as they 'felt bad' that they were being classed as a racist, so I think it actually did more harm than good.
Look at where the EU is going...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192564.html
I think you should be more grateful that some of the ' unuducated older generation' have got you out of what would have been a pretty horrible EU going forward.
I truly hope members of the young generation quickly mature and recognise their naivety, for their own sakes.
HappyMidget said:
At least one remainder is starting to understand https://medium.com/@oliverhumpage/i-want-to-stop-s...
that young man would do well to listen to his father, he appears to have a very good understanding of the situation.I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
gizlaroc said:
Trabi601 said:
I was 1 year old.
Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Listen you complete fWhich suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
kwit, you create your own destiny, stop playing the blame game. I am fking sick and tired of hearing everyone blaming everyone else and it seems to come from our generation and younger. The generation you are moaning about transformed the world in which we live in from something that for most was pretty grim into close to what we have today.
You sound like a left wing 20 something that has just come out of Uni and think the world owes you a favour. I don't know what you do for a living but I bet you turn up, do a days work and take a wage, I bet you have no real understanding of what it actually takes and what it costs to run a business, whether that is a service company, manufacturing, retailing or run a country.
As much as I loved the notion of being part of the EU, it is f
ked. Some of the net contributors are in a debt trap FFS!
What are your suggestions to rectify that? Go on, tell me what you would suggest to try and stop it all going under?
Juncker and his merry men are trying to push towards an EU with more and more control and the fact that corrupt, power hungry drunk is in charge should have been enough in itself to make anyone want to leave. They know it is f
ked and they are simply trying to buy time for personal gain. All I have heard from numbnuts like yourself over the last week is how the older generation have ruined everything for you, it is all old people and uneducated knuckle draggers that have voted leave. Yet when you speak to them they all say the same thing "I like to be able to travel", "I like being European", "I like being multicultural." yet when you ask them about the debt trap most are in, or any of the things that really matter they all look at you with blank stares and say "Oh, I don't really care about the politics of it all"
Jesus wept!!
We have been multicultural for 70 years, we will still be able to travel and we will still be able to work in the EU you morons.
Immigration is an issues, 385,000 net immigration a year worldwide with roughly half coming from the EU costs us billions. To put it into perspective it is a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge. Which make it easier to understand the strain it is bringing us, we need to build a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge every year, that is roads, hospitals, doctors, police forces, fire services, councils etc. etc. Every single year!!!!
Oh, and we need to do it twice because we have even more coming from the rest of the world.
Depending whether they are remain or leave most tended to argue the net cost per year was between £11b and £17b. Whichever it is, it is bloody high and an expense we simply can't afford.
Now was it needed for the campaign? Not really, it is an issue we need to address but not sure if it was needed to be used as part of the leave campaign. I know more people who switched from Leave to Remain as they 'felt bad' that they were being classed as a racist, so I think it actually did more harm than good.
Look at where the EU is going...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192564.html
I think you should be more grateful that some of the ' unuducated older generation' have got you out of what would have been a pretty horrible EU going forward.
Have another
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